Saw this today......

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  1. Crashton

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    Looks like the real deal to me. Nice car. Read the window sticker & you will see all the JCW stuff is there.
     
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    I'm learning alot about the first gen JCW's today. So I know in the 2nd gen world if you get a tuning kit on your S you get the badge on the engine. That's what's throwing me on this "JCW". Says Cooper S on the boot, has a JCW tuning kit badge on the engine, and when I decode the VIN it comes up as just an S. I may be wrong, but I'm getting an education along the way :cornut: The difference between gen's 1 and 2 are insane.
     
  3. Nathan

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    The car does have the S3AL JCW Package, it is a true factory JCW.
     
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    The first gen JCWs were all dealer add on kits until the '06. In '06 you could get either. The factory ones included the limited slip diff and the JCW front brakes. The other difference is the exhaust is one piece instead of the 2 needed for shipping the kit to dealers. The aero kit and the wing are really nice additions.

    I paid $12,500 for my '05 JCW with 24k mi 4 years ago. That's with out the aero kit, brakes, or limited slip diff. So the price may be a little high. But if it's in as good of shape as claimed it could be worth it to the right enthusiast. It I was currently looking I'd check it out. Being a midwest car rust would be the main thing to check. Even if it was not driven in the winter.
     
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    While walking the dogs today, happened upon an Ariel Atom in the wild, just parked on the street. Over the years, I've seen the occasional supercar or other exotic around town, but I'd never seen an Atom before.
     

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    The JCW to get is a 2005 Dealer installed JCW or an early 06 JCW. Not the factory ones.

    After that BMW/MINI bought John Cooper Works which was a separate company, they watered down the JCW brand to a sticker package, badges and a slight bump in HP via a very conservative ECU tune.

    Early JCW's where dealer installed kits with performance parts like a better ported head, smaller SC pulley, LSD Diff and a ecu flash, still a mild tune, but not a just an "S" tune.

    Some 2006 "S"'s got JCW parts undocumented from the factory at the end of the run to use up the SC and head parts they had in stock.

    All later fJCW's ( f=Factory ) are just the same as "S" cars with no real custom performance parts added on. I do not believe a cold air intake is not really a Performance part.


    So in the end all the current fJCW's are just high level trim packages with no real performance parts.

    * The only true performance MINI the recently made was the GP 2 because it had coil overs, race tires and a few other weight saving performance parts but that's it.

    Don't get suckered into buying a 2nd or 3rd gen factory JCW for rarity, performance or extra value because they are nothing really special unless you like stickers.
     
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    #1287 Dave.0, Apr 24, 2017
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    You need to buy this car NOW! :Thumbsup:

    That is a rare early f JCW with all the real original JCW Performance parts and all the options. The JCW Kit and all the options are listed on the window sticker. LSD, Tuning Kit.....

    I am not a fan of leather or the Chrono pack but that is a well optioned car. :cornut:

    JCW cars are not limited like GP's. The only limit was how many they could sell. :lol:
     
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    The dealer installed JCW engine package included a completely different cylinder head, complete exhaust system, ECU, new supercharger with Teflon coated vanes and smaller pulley (14% IIRC)but the LSD was not part of the dealer installed package.

    I had an 03 with the dealer installed engine upgrade package, there was a separate body kit too, which mine also had, painted to match. I did not get the suspension which was a further kit option.

    My buddy has a factory 2006 JCW, all the engine mods done at the factory, which has a different air filter box (and a $60 filter in it!) but his JCW suspension package was done at the dealership....so even in 2006 they were still doing some dealer installed JCW upgrades.
     
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    Alfa Romeo 4C chillin' at the parking meter.

    First time I've seen a white 4C. It looks better in red.
     

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    I guy where I live has a white one, looks great & sounds great.
     
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    The only problem with that first picture is that damn
    FIAT in the background. Ruins the whole thing.
     
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    I agree with you, white is not the color for the 4C. The color on the Abarth in the background of the first pic would look good on the 4C.
     
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    I drove a Fiat Abarth 124 Spider yesterday. It was a blast to drive. It's the first car that i have driven that was funner than my Mini to drive. I had the back end loos a couple of times! I smiled the whole time!
     

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    Looks pretty sweet. I checked out their car builder for kicks. Only 164HP on the Abarth, and they want 2 grand for the racing stripe! :eek6:
     
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    They say the stripe is hand painted ..... that's a good gig for someone. :biggrin5:
     
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    Car doesn't bother me as much as the parking job.
     
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    It feels fast. It was really a hoot to drive. I have driven it twice. Jan makes a big valve head for it. I called him with some questions about my Mini and asked what kind of power I could get out of the Abarth he said about 200hp. Richard Hammond reviewed it on GT and loved it if you can see it he sums it up just how I feel. It's at the beginning of episode 11

    Yes a hand painted hood, I just hope they don't use a brush!:lol:
     
  18. Metalman

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    Always use the right tool for the job...

    This was developed for applying dual racin stripes on the bonnet...

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    RWD and lighter weight than a MINI.
     
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    #1300 MCS02, May 2, 2017
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    Yep 2400lb compared to my S at 2700lb.
     

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