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  1. Steve

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    Weird Pirelli tyre vibrations could continue at Monza (motorsport.com)
     
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    #822 Zapski, Aug 31, 2017
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    Weird.

    Martin Brundle was speculating that it was something to do with the rain runoff grooves on the main straight at Spa, as both the trouble spots had those grooves right before the corners.

    They run very shallow across the width of the track, but again it was just speculation.

    When he asked the Pirelli representative during the Grid Walk, they said that the teams were able to make an adjustment to minimize the effect.

    Judging by how the race went, it seems that adjustment worked, I thought.
     
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    Yes it did work. I'm glad no one was suffering blown tires at high speed. Perez's was self inflicted. I'm guessing the teams raised air pressure in the tires. Hope they have no problems at Monza.
     
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    Brawn pushing to lose grid penalties, DRS (motorsport.com)
    Full article: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grid-penalties-end-brawn-drs-947189/
     
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    He always did make sense.
     
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    Remove the wings - that will put the emphasis on mechanical grip.

    Sure you won't be breaking track records, and don't they want to slow the cars to some extent? It might provide some cost savings with fewer parts to manufacture and transport.

    Would also allow the Force India cars to bump without debris almost clearing the catch fence, ok, maybe not.
     
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    I think Perez is the new Maldanodo....
     
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    Interesting test rigs on the McLaren.

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    Really not sure they should be focusing on Areo right now.....
     
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    That's all they have.......

    Rumor has them as McLaren Renault next season, and Toro Rosso Honda......
     
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    I heard McLaren KIA for later this year.
     
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    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQzdyBbzvjc"]Best of Team Radio | 2017 Italian Grand Prix - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MtObN6TP6U"]Ricciardo's Monza Masterclass | 2017 Italian Grand Prix - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX0SnXMDR1U"]Game of Thrones Stars Take a Lap of Monza in F1 Two-Seater - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFZSxX1yOj0"]Best Onboards | 2017 Italian Grand Prix - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    This sort of thing is usually just speculation.

    Porsche confirms F1 interest after Italian GP visit (motorsport.com)
    Full article: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/porsche-confirms-formula-1-interest-for-2021-949446/
     
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    #836 Steve, Sep 6, 2017
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    What do you think, should Brawn be listening to Horner? He's making a lot of sense IMO but I'll bet Todt and the rest of the FIA bureaucrats will jamb their fingers in their ears and refuse to listen to the reasons as soon as they hear the base premise is scrapping the 3-engines idea.

    Based on what we've seen so far, if they're going to cut it down to 3 engines next year they only way to make that work is to simplify the engines...and there's no way for the teams to do that as early as 2018. Even carrying over the current 4 engines rule into 2018 is a poor idea, as we're about to see as the teams push on into the remainder of the season.

    They need to do some serious thinking, and soon. Time for Brawn to start earning his money.

    Monza showed F1 must scrap three-engine limit plan - Horner (motorsport.com)
     
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    Actually, the expense of an F1 engine is in the development of it. The fewer the actual physical engines are made, the more expensive the engine, as it has fewer units to distribute the cost across.

    F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of racing, cost no object. Unfortunately, in order to make money, it needs to level the spending playing field in order to be competitive.

    How about for engines, it needs to be homologated with production cars. Certain key parts, such as the engine block, fuel systems, turbo chargers need to be available in quantity for production street cars (say minimum 200 units) ? How they develop the engines internally after that is up the the individual race teams.

    I think by simply limiting teams to the number of engines, they've simply made the cost per unit more expensive.
     
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    #839 Steve, Sep 7, 2017
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    Yup, and it will only get worse when they drop the limit from 4 "power units" this year to 3 for 2018. Others have explained it much better and in far more detail than Horner did but he scratched the surface under False Economy (above).
     
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    In the Tour de France the rider leading the time sheets wears a yellow jersey. Jean Todt thinks F1 should have that in 2018...the driver leading the driver's championship gets a yellow halo.....
     

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