Motoring Alliance :: MINI Cooper Forums   Motoring Alliance :: MINI Cooper Forums Motoring Alliance :: MINI Cooper Forums
Home

Menu




Notices

Sponsor

» Random Garage
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
Marlo

awburman

» Ad Links
» Recent Threads
Go to first new post What did you do with your MINI today?
14,653 Replies, 954,650 Views
Go to first new post Refreshing Rufus - 2005 MCS JCW
142 Replies, 19,156 Views
Go to first new post Gen 1 Radiator Support.
6 Replies, 399 Views
Go to first new post 2017 - F1
981 Replies, 110,032 Views
Go to first new post Word Association
72,709 Replies, 1,525,967 Views
Go to first new post Program remote Key
3 Replies, 179 Views
Go to first new post Soooooo Whatcha Eating?
1,642 Replies, 119,178 Views
Go to first new post Intermittent Red Oil Light
15 Replies, 33,397 Views
Go to first new post Great service at OutMotoring
12 Replies, 1,035 Views
Go to first new post Q :: 2012 Scion IQ
10 Replies, 2,623 Views
Go to first new post El Señor Cooper.
32 Replies, 6,225 Views
Advert

» Ad
Sponsors

Likes Likes:  16
Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 09-22-2013, 10:07 PM #1
Rawhyde Rawhyde is offline
Stage 2
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Mountains of NW Georgia
Posts: 311
Likes (Given): 70
Likes (Received): 242
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
Rawhyde Rawhyde is offline
Stage 2
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Mountains of NW Georgia
Posts: 311
Likes (Given): 70
Likes (Received): 242
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
Got the subframe out. Now what?

OK guys, last night and today, I dropped the subframe from under my 2005 MCS. I worked slowly and kept everything cleaned up and straightened up as I worked. Actually, I wasted a few hours scheming on how to get the job done without dropping the subframe. The pleasure (if any) ain't worth the pain. Just drop the thing...

Anyway, now it's out. I'm planning to run down to Way's next week and pick up a set of Power Flex control arm bushings and ball joints. I plan to put in fresh power steering fluid while I'm in there.

Here's my main question. Should I replace the sway bar bushings (as a matter of good workmanship), or upgrade to a better sway bar? My current setup is JCW springs and shocks, and an R-Speed adjustable rear sway bar. (I can hop out to the shop and measure it if need be, but I think its 2 or 3 mm bigger than stock. On its lightest setting, it was too much for the stock springs and shocks. It was much better behaved with after I added the JCW suspension. Any suggestions on a good upgrade? Anything else I should do while I'm in there?

Rawhyde


Got the subframe out.  Now what?-156-mini-subframe-webpic.jpg

Got the subframe out.  Now what?-158-left-bushing-webpic.jpg

Got the subframe out.  Now what?-161-right-bushing-webpic.jpg

Got the subframe out.  Now what?-164-mini-subframe-out-webpic.jpg
Rawhyde is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Unread 09-23-2013, 01:04 AM #2
Crashton's Avatar
Crashton Crashton is offline
Stage 6
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hooterville Ohio USA
Posts: 17,740
Likes (Given): 9599
Likes (Received): 9796
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
Crashton Crashton is offline
Stage 6

Crashton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hooterville Ohio USA
Posts: 17,740
Likes (Given): 9599
Likes (Received): 9796
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
If your swaybar bushing look questionable replace them. Rather than change out the front swaybar I'd recommend installing a set of IE fixed camber plates. Those plates along with a good alignment will make you MINI really handle.
__________________
2013 Golf GTI Shultz with clean burn gas engine!
1995 Roadster NOT N MG
2008 R55 SKOOBY Justa Clubster

"If you can't go fast with 90hp, 900hp won't help you...."
Crashton is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 3 Likes
Likes minsanity, ScottinBend, Dave.0 liked this post
Unread 09-23-2013, 01:21 AM #3
MCS02's Avatar
MCS02 MCS02 is online now
Stage 5
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 7,126
Likes (Given): 14271
Likes (Received): 5410
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
MCS02 MCS02 is online now
Stage 5

MCS02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 7,126
Likes (Given): 14271
Likes (Received): 5410
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
Get rid of the stock power steering hose clamps. Those crimp type clamps will leak.
MCS02 is online now   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 3 Likes
Likes minsanity, ScottinBend, Dave.0 liked this post
Unread 09-23-2013, 10:59 AM #4
ScottinBend's Avatar
ScottinBend ScottinBend is offline
Space Cowboy
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Bend, OR USA
Posts: 8,506
Likes (Given): 2715
Likes (Received): 2414
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
ScottinBend ScottinBend is offline
Space Cowboy

ScottinBend's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Bend, OR USA
Posts: 8,506
Likes (Given): 2715
Likes (Received): 2414
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
Front sway bar bushings are not really prone to problems. Just give them a good lube and all should be good.
__________________
Never do anything that you wouldn't want to explain to the paramedics. ......

If it uses lipstick or a dipstick, it's gonna give you trouble

2004 EB/W R53 with stuff
ScottinBend is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Unread 09-23-2013, 12:18 PM #5
jiminni jiminni is offline
Stage 4
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Ca.
Posts: 1,673
Likes (Given): 105
Likes (Received): 263
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
jiminni jiminni is offline
Stage 4
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Ca.
Posts: 1,673
Likes (Given): 105
Likes (Received): 263
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
I would change out everything, all bushings, even the steering rack bushing, the ball joints, even the tie rod ends. Check the actual power steering lines, good time to replace them also if anywhere near bad. Think about it, do you really want to drop it again?
__________________
His: 03 MCS

Hers: 09 MCS SOLD

Hers: 06 JCW Convert.

Ours: 2011 Chrysler T&C

CUSTOM MINI SHOP
....559-320-0004

MidCal MINIs
jiminni is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 1 Likes
Likes Norm03s liked this post
Unread 09-23-2013, 01:38 PM #6
Crashton's Avatar
Crashton Crashton is offline
Stage 6
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hooterville Ohio USA
Posts: 17,740
Likes (Given): 9599
Likes (Received): 9796
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
Crashton Crashton is offline
Stage 6

Crashton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hooterville Ohio USA
Posts: 17,740
Likes (Given): 9599
Likes (Received): 9796
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
+ 1 on the power steering lines & tie-rod ends.
__________________
2013 Golf GTI Shultz with clean burn gas engine!
1995 Roadster NOT N MG
2008 R55 SKOOBY Justa Clubster

"If you can't go fast with 90hp, 900hp won't help you...."
Crashton is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Unread 09-23-2013, 01:47 PM #7
Minidave's Avatar
Minidave Minidave is online now
Stage 4
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Overland Park, Ks
Posts: 4,419
Likes (Given): 5
Likes (Received): 2090
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
Minidave Minidave is online now
Stage 4

Minidave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Overland Park, Ks
Posts: 4,419
Likes (Given): 5
Likes (Received): 2090
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
I'd think replacing "everything" would depend on the miles and how it's driven. Since it seems to get driven in a spirited manner, if it had miles too I'd also replace the ball joints and tie rod ends, it's so much easier to do now than in the car. Sway bushings don't wear much, but again, they're so easy to do now and almost impossible to do later without dropping the subframe again......the camber plates are also easy to do now, so why not?

Lastly, take a good hard look at the top bearing mounts, the rubber can crack with age.

Once it's all back together, a good alignment and you're good to go for many, many miles.
__________________
2009 LB/LB Clubman S
1989 Cooper "Racing Green" 1275
1969 Jaguar XK-E Coupe
1994 SPi Project Mini

Minidave is online now   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 2 Likes
Likes Rawhyde, Dave.0 liked this post
Unread 09-23-2013, 02:21 PM #8
Norm03s Norm03s is offline
Stage 4
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Somewhere in Sykesville. Md.
Posts: 4,943
Likes (Given): 1187
Likes (Received): 532
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
Norm03s Norm03s is offline
Stage 4
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Somewhere in Sykesville. Md.
Posts: 4,943
Likes (Given): 1187
Likes (Received): 532
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
Do it all now, just my opinion.
__________________
"Watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow" - Frank Zappa
You can follow me if you want but it might hurt.
I own a Bentley Manual, use it.
Norm03s is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Unread 09-23-2013, 08:16 PM #9
Rawhyde Rawhyde is offline
Stage 2
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Mountains of NW Georgia
Posts: 311
Likes (Given): 70
Likes (Received): 242
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
Rawhyde Rawhyde is offline
Stage 2
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Mountains of NW Georgia
Posts: 311
Likes (Given): 70
Likes (Received): 242
Got the subframe out.  Now what?
It's a 2005 model with 97K miles, and from time to time, it has been driven in a spirited manner...

I'm not looking to waste a ton of money, but as long as it's out and everything's easy to reach I want to replace anything likely to fail soon.

Back when the warranty was in effect, the power steering pump and control arm bushings were replaced (two separate visits), so this is probably the third time the subframe has been out.

The amazing part is that it really wasn't that difficult. (I may sing another tune when I put it back in...) Even so, I'd prefer not to do it multiple times if it can be helped. I think I'll replace any rubber bushings that are now easily accessible. Everything's a little over 8 years old and has seen nearly 100K miles.

I never liked the idea of dropping the subframe with the power steering reservoir attached, so I thought I'd drain the system and detach the hoses from the pump. One of the lines already has a screw type hose clamp on it. I went to Ace Hardware and picked up some small diameter polyflow tubing and an assortment of hose clamps and a new empty paint can with a lid. I stuck the tubing into the reservoir and hunted for the hose with my tubing. I couldn't find it, so I used the Mity-Vac to suck out all the fluid. When I got all I could, I looked into the reservoir and saw a filter screen held down by a button head allen screw with a 3 mm head. Undaunted, I unscrewed it and learned real quick that the filter screen was MUCH bigger than the hole. I did manage to fish the tubing down to the pump through the bigger hose and evacuate it, but I never was able to get it into the smaller return line. I'll add that reattaching the filter screen and getting the screw started was a royal pain. Just thought I'd pass that along to save anyone from a fruitless endeavor if the same lightbulb goes off in anyone's head...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minidave View Post
I'd think replacing "everything" would depend on the miles and how it's driven. Since it seems to get driven in a spirited manner, if it had miles too I'd also replace the ball joints and tie rod ends, it's so much easier to do now than in the car. Sway bushings don't wear much, but again, they're so easy to do now and almost impossible to do later without dropping the subframe again......the camber plates are also easy to do now, so why not?

Lastly, take a good hard look at the top bearing mounts, the rubber can crack with age.

Once it's all back together, a good alignment and you're good to go for many, many miles.
Rawhyde is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Post Thanks / Like - 1 Likes
Likes Dave.0 liked this post
Unread 09-23-2013, 09:22 PM #10
McFly McFly is offline
Stage 0 - Stock
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Central FL
Posts: 39
Likes (Given): 1
Likes (Received): 9
McFly McFly is offline
Stage 0 - Stock
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Central FL
Posts: 39
Likes (Given): 1
Likes (Received): 9
Nice lift! When I dropped my subframe I thought it was rather easy only issue was that I needed to have the car about 2" higher to be perfect.
McFly is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
subframe

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:07 AM.

Powered by vBulletin; Version - A Very Customized 3.8.2
Copyright ©2009 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Clubs, Garage Plus, Vendor Tools vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like v3.4.1 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Motoring Alliance is an independently operated web site supporting MINI owners and enthusiasts worldwide. All original artwork and design is Copyright © 2009 - 2016 Motoring Alliance.
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO