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Unread 12-07-2016, 07:49 PM #1
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Over the last few weeks, I have had an "SES" light come on 3 or 4 times. When reading the code(s), I get P0303 Cyl 3 misfire and the BMW code P113C pre cat O2 sensor. Read by a generic Autel code reader. I have had the P113C code before, about 2 1/2 years ago.

http://www.motoringalliance.com/foru...ode-p113c.html

I only use an OEM coil, NGK plugs and wires. All less than 3 months old. Nick at Detroit Tuned suggested doing a compression test to determine if an exhaust valve is bad or the rings. I will do this at the weekend. Already fitted a new NGK O2 sensor, and cleared codes.

Nick also suggested using Cooper S valves, less prone to burning out, and doing timing chain/guides at the same time. Car currently has about 128000 miles on it.

If I do this myself, the valves as supplied by DT would be about $330 and the timing chain/guides about $180. On top of this would be all of the gaskets, etc. This little project could end up costing $700+, if I turn the wrenches myself.

Although the Justa is in generally great condition, apart from stone chips on the bonnet, I don't know that I want to throw that kind of money into a 10 yr old car. Budget always has to be an issue, I'm the only wage earner in a household of 5 (including 2 teenage boys!!!!). I guess that I could sell the stuff that I have accumulated for the car (center arm rest, Redline armrest cover, new boot tray, etc.). Or I could just trade it, and let someone else have the potential headache.

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P.S. Thanks to Nick for the great advice.
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About a thousand dollars and some elbow grease is way cheaper than a new car.
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Some local KC club members had been getting this code for a while too, and had thrown plugs, wires, coils etc at it without curing the problem, so they called me...... I loaned them my compression tester and sure enough - 50lbs on cyl 3.

They did the work themselves (other than the machine shop to do the valves- which was about $400 too!) and they wound up replacing the cam as well......the car now runs as well as it did when new and they are still in love with it - it's a 2005 Justa Cabriolet BTW with about 200K on it....original CVT too!

So, unless you're just ready for a new car, like Dave says it's a worthy investment.
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It all comes down to do you want a car payment or not.

I say fix it.
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Thanks for the input. Car payment is not really an issue, as we've been thinking of replacing my wife's Dodge anyway. Would trade the MINI against a new car for her, and I would take over the Dodge as my daily driver.

The [U]only[U] thing that makes me even think about fixing the Justa is how much I enjoy driving the damn thing. Get behind the wheel of a Gen 1 MINI, and all reasonable logic flies out of the window.
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Guess the first step is to do the compression test, and go from there. Off to work now. Good night.
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In all I have ordered almost $1500 in parts to refresh my 02 S. I can't think of a car I would want more with the exception of a 06 JCW or a Gen 1 GP. So to me it is worth fixing. I really wish I could send the motor to RMW and let them do their magic, maybe some time down the road.

Cheaper to keep her.
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The cheapest car is the one you already own. If you still love it fix it, it has many more miles left in it. If your MINI has a CVT (ticking time bomb) trade it in, because that one will kill you with its replacement co$t. Good luck.
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