Engine Drivetrain 2nd Gen S Clutch Issues Cooper S

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  1. mrminimmel

    mrminimmel New Member

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    I may be getting too far ahead to ask this but I'll get started anyway. I'd been noticing a occasional soft noise when starting from a stop. Maybe once a day or every two days.
    Took it to the dealer today and the mechanic drove with me and we both heard it and he said he thought it might be a clutch issue. The service adviser called back to say that if they get it apart and determine that there is too much damage that MINI might not warranty the repair. The car has maybe 30,000 miles on it. I autocross once a month maybe twice but shouldn't a Mini handle that Ok? The adviser said if it is not warranty-able I could consider an aftermarket clutch to put in. So here is my dilemma- OEM or if not-what brands, questions to ask, considerations for future autocross use, resources to look at?
    Thanks, Pete
     
  2. k-huevo

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    I've seen a few R56 clutch failures at the same mileage, some can handle it, some can't, and some are doomed from the beginning due to a flywheel defect. Rather than fill the page with failure photos, many can be seen in my gallery.

    For the daily driver that sees much stop & go use, the OEM clutch has the best behavior. At this time I'm only aware of one R56 aftermarket alternative, it is from OS Giken, and it is relatively costly. The OS disc has a durable friction material that can handle increased power output and high heat without glazing or warping. The downside is it can become grabby when hot, so not the best behavior if you depend on slipping the clutch much. There are three models to choose from for the R56, all come with a practically indestructible release bearing; some info can be found here. I'll be doing an install of a GTS model in an R56 over the next few days and will share some details later.

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  3. k-huevo

    k-huevo Club Coordinator

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    Consider an LSD or ATB differential installation while the gearbox is removed, and a smaller diameter Cooper front swaybar while the subframe is lowered.
     
  4. ColinGreene

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    Why a cooper swaybar?
     
  5. k-huevo

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    To reduce understeer and inside wheel lift. Also, it is an OEM modification that usually will not cost points resulting in a classification change.
     
  6. Nathan

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    I have to say I am sorry the dealer is already spinning this position to setup a lack of support from MINI. I would press them firmly, yet politely, that a clutch should not go that fast. Remind them that the throw-out bearing is plastic and that there are known cases of a clutch going this early that has been covered.

    That is unless you really want to change to an aftermarket unit. Then I'd pull the car from the dealer and take it to a local independent shop.
     
  7. Redbeard

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    Yeah, I feel your pain there. Lucky for me they took care of it under warranty/service. Check my thread here: Clutch Issues
     
  8. mrminimmel

    mrminimmel New Member

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    what exactly is "slipping the clutch"

    I've been driving a clutch, off and on, since 1967 and I've never had a clutch issue. Now that I'm driving a Mini, that I bought used through a dealer, and I'm replacing the clutch with an OS Giken STR at my expense(the dealer says customer abuse). So my question is what is slipping the clutch?
    I autocross 1 or 2 times monthly and have expressed my amazement that what I do to the car is outside its ability to endure.
    I figure the previous owner needed lessons and never got them but I digress. Slipping the clutch is ????
     

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