1st Gen R50 Cooper Failed state test

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    RallyMini370 Well-Known Member

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    I'm still trying to get the R50 through the state test as I slowly prepare the MC for rallying. As I'm going to rally the Mini in Costa Rica I wanted to make sure the Mini did not overheat. So I fitted a Subaru WRX raditor and 165F thermostat. When I got the car #2 exhaust valve was burnt out so I fitted a MC S head. The SES was on trying to cancel all the errors related to #2 cylinder. As I don't drive many miles it took a while for the ECU to cancel the many errors related to #2. All I had left was a misfire on #2 which was cured by a new coil/iginator. The remaining errors were O2 sensor bank 1 sensor 2 which I was told was the rear sensor, replaced that but I have done about 30 miles so I hope the ECU clears it. The other error is the coolant temperature sensor reports a below normal operating temperature which I thought was due to the big radiator and 165F thermostat....now I'm thinking maybe a bad sensor as running the engine with no cooling fan at 3000prm in 78F heat did not move the temp needle which was below normal until all of a sudden the temp needle ran up to red yet nothing boiled over.

    If the sensor was faulty would this throw an error code? also if I had not bled the cooling system correctly would this lead to a low temp reading?

    Anyway I'm going to order the temp sensor to see if I can clear the error.

    How far do I need to drive the clear errors?

    Sorry for the epic write up.:confused5:
     
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    Don't know about the sensor, but may be a good idea to test it, use a thermometer and a pot of boiling water. Not bleeding the cooling system properly (fill it, run engine until hot and the thermostat opens, fill it more - and use the proper BLEND of antifreeze/distilled water).

    You should be able to clear the codes even with a cheapo OBD2 reader, just clear 'em and see if they come back (often a local car parts store like Autozone can do this cheap or free).
     
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    And 165 thermostat is way too low.......
     
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    yes maybe, I'm going to swap back to the standard thermostat and see if the engine over heats on the rally....if so I'll go back to the 165F
     
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    I think you have a big old air bubble in your cooling system, the symptom you describe of the temp gauge being dead cold then suddenly going to full hot is a perfect example of this. Hope you didn't damage the head gasket when it overheated. The same thing can cause the cooling fan not to work.
     
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    I got a new temperature sensor and the correct thermostat today so I that will fix at least one of the error codes.
     
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    Interesting.... Be sure to post the results. As I overheated my r53 when my T-Stat stuck closed. I mean you could have fried eggs on the engine. Cracked the Head also. Anyways I went to the 180 * t-stat, new head and gaskets.. and I too am getting the "below normal operating temp". I didnt change the sensor when I changed the head. My data logs show no issues with temp. SOOoooo... be sure to post your results.

    I have been running the code ( clear... then returns) for a month now. As far as a cold engine ( cooler engine) it might bother the ECU, and maybe puff out a bit more emissions... but it is better to run on!! ( cooler is denser fuel).

    Just saying............................

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    So I installed the correct thermostat and new temperature sensor. I ran the engine until the temp gauge got to just below normal (I have a manual cooling fan) then the needle got to normal and then dropped down just below normal (thermostat kicking in) and there she stayed with no fan. So I reved to 3000 for about 5 mins with the temp needle just below normal. I checked the engine and noticed the expansion tank was now filling up with boiling coolant even though the temp needle still remained below normal. The WRX radiator was hot but not nothing excessive. I thinking now the pressure cap is defective allowing coolant to escape at a low temperature thus giving a low temperature reading? Next I will replace the cap
     
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    So I'm back in the US and just fitted a new pressure cap( old one looked bad) the temp gauge went up a little closer to normal but still when the engine is running on idle(no fan) the temp gauge stays at normal but with the new pressure cap I can see fluid starting to fill up the explansion tank which must mean the engine is getting hot. I don't see how this can be a an airlock so maybe the very large Subaru radiator is affecting the cooling somehow. I'm going to block off half the radiator airflow with cardboard to see what happens.
     
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    I've booked the car in to a BMW tuning shop. That should sort it!
     
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    the SES light wnet out after fitting the new pressure cap so now I have the state test passed!
     

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