MotoringFile MINI Coupé Update: Get Ready For the Ultimate MINI

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    So the R60 has launched. We’ve reviewed it and will have a (very special) long term review coming. But we want to give you a break in the coverage and talk about another car that is probably near and dear to many of you: the R58 MINI Coupé.

    Progress

    The Coupé and Roadster projects have been executed at lightening speed for the automotive industry. Work started in early 2009 and culminated in what we saw at the Frankfurt and LA motor shows. Since that time MINI has gone into engineering and design mode putting the finishing touches on both cars. First up will of course be the coupe. It’s currently undergoing initial prototype work around German. While in the past we’d expect to see test mules in places such as death valley and the arctic, BMW now has their new Environmental Test Center (ETC) to simulate conditions ranging from -30c to +45c. Due to this we don’t expect much in the way of sneak peaks of the car outside of a random shot near Munich and at the Nurburgring early this spring.

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    The R58 will launch next September in Cooper S and JCW form. MINI is still debating internally whether or not to offer the car in lower spec models given the price-point. Oh the price? We expect it to fall generally between the Clubman and the Convertible.

    Ultimately we have a hunch MINI will offer a special edition (GP like) model that will bring the best of the JCW Challenge to the street. What that will be we don’t know. And speaking of the MINI Challenge don’t be surprised if this car becomes the new defacto MINI Challenge car (if there’s still a European series) in the years ahead.

    Design

    The last time we saw the Coupé (and it’s twin the Roadster) was at the LA auto show in 2009. Since then much of what made the R58 a star of that show remains. According to sources the low-slung look and unique roof all carry over relatively unchanged. There was some concern about head-room and we heard last year MINI may have to slightly altered the shape of the roof but that is as yet unconfirmed. Also unconfirmed are any changes to the backwards baseball cap look of the roof – the unique design that divided opinions of many here on MF. We believe MINI has kept the look generally the same. However for those who aren’t a fan but love the idea of a lighter two seat MINI, the roof will come in black.

    Like R56 the R58 will be a hatchback and will have more cargo room than you’d think. However make no mistake, this is the least versatile car in MINI’s line-up until the R59 Roadster debuts months later.

    Despite some sources saying otherwise, we still believe that MINI will create a unique front and rear facia to better differentiate the car from the standard MINI range. Also new will be an electronically deployed spoiler that rises from the car at speeds around 50 mph. The spoiler is meant to be functional and create much needed downforce on the rear wheels.

    Colors

    The coupe will be available in most (if not all) of the colors the R56 currently offers with one or two exclusive choices. What will they be? We have no idea.

    Inside the car will feature several new colors (aligned with those exclusive exterior colors) on the seats and in trim. Again it’s all a guessing game as to what to expect. However we know we’d love to see that gorgeous houndstooth cloth leather combo from the Roadster or even the dark brown leather from the Coupé concept car. We’re guessing the latter has a better chance to make it (despite my personal plea to MINI Design).

    Performance

    Here’s where things get interesting. The Coupé is expected to be around 150 lbs lighter while being even more rigid than the R56 so by default the ultimate MINI track car from the factory. And remember the R56 is already lighter than the R53 so we’re talking about a car that should be even lighter than the GP with less power but more torque (in JCW form). Put head to head we’d expect the R58 to easily beat out the current “ultimate” MINI. And that’s without any tweaks to the JCW engine which have been rumored as of late.

    Exclusivity

    The R58 Coupé will likely be the most hardcore MIIN produced yet. With limited versatility and only two seats we expect it to sell in the lowest numbers of any MINI variant. It will also be one of the last MINIs to have an all four cylinder engine line-up meaning it will likely be MINI’s most performance focused product in the years ahead. Add to that a short life-cycle and you have the makings of a special car that will likely be the “one to get” for enthusiasts in the years ahead. In short MINI made this car for the type of people who read MotoringFile.

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    Christmas 2010 is not even here and already I am having "visions of sugar plums" or perhaps "visions of my coupe" for 2011.
     
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    I see an R58 in my future :D
     
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    I see a whole bunch of R56 performance parts being transferred in your future.:eek:
     
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    It will also be one of the last MINIs to have an all four cylinder engine line-up meaning it will likely be MINI’s most performance focused product in the years ahead.

    What does this mean?
     
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    2013 Models are slated to have a 1.5 liter 3 cylinder engine.
     
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    Sadly one would also assume from this that the high performance 3 cylinders that BMW (240hp and up) has been developing will be way down the road at best for the Mini coupe. :( Probably to be found in the BMWs built on the Mini platform much sooner.... another :(

    Wonder how hard it would be to transplant one of the RMW stroked motors with all the goodies in the coupe...... :)
     
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    Hopefully BMW / MINI can see the benefit of cross-pollination with this HP 3 cylinder, equaling increased sales opportunity at both marques.

    Hmmmm......
    I wonder how hard it would be for them to develop a Tri-scroll turbo for the HP 3?

    Yeah baby....:D
     
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    I just can't get past the top.........it's ridiculous looking - like a toupe'...

    I like the looks of the Roadster tho....
     
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    I like the whole look of the coupe including the top. It will be interesting if they DO change the front and rear appearance from the concept...I'm just concerned that if they do it will begin to look like a Crossfire :skep:
     
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    This would probably be the only car that would keep me from just keeping the Mini I have now. We'll see. It also depends on the price point and how I feel when I see/drive the actual thing.
     
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    You can put money on the fact that they will never let Mini build one that will have higher performance numbers than the BMW version .... Could be just a matter of the price point and that a Roundel equipped car can demand more money.... Still sad as I've dreamed ever sense seeing the coupe of a 2 liter all wheel drive Mini....
     
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    All-wheel drive would kick ass!
    I like the Coupé and the Roadster looks.
     
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    Only 3..... Yikes!!!

    I'm having a hard time with that one. High performance 3 Cly is an oxymoron.:crazy:

    Back in the day SAAB advertised their 3 Cly 2 strokes as 3=6 having the power of a 6:eek:ut:. Their ration-el was it had twice as many power strokes as a 4 stroke. If you've ever driven one of them you'd soon realize their reasoning was somewhat flawed. I owned one & while fun it was so slow it left a snail trail behind it. :lol:

    Edit... I realize the 3 pot MINI lump will be 10 light years more advance than the old SAAB 3=6 lump.
     
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    I'm with you on this one. That top just doesn't get it for me. Glad the Roadster is second out, because by the time it is, I might be ready for one. Reminds me of a TR-4. :Thumbsup:

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    Got to agree with you there, would much prefer an advanced 4 but sense BMW is talking about the HP 3 cylinders going in the Z4s and such, I'm banking on them being a pretty good piece. Haven't seen BMW lay to many total turds in the past so maybe it will be good.....and lighter too! ;)

    How much would say 50 pounds out of the motor package and the front of the car be worth to you?
     
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    Go out and ride any sporty three-cylinder motorcycle - a high-performance three is a much nicer engine than a high-performance four.

    I reckon the truly lovely engine layouts are V-twin, straight-three, straight-six, V-eight.

    Sure, a three will be lumpier than a four, but it is such a lovely 'thrum', where a four is just vibrating.
     
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    V-twins work best as air compressors.

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    +1 :lol: :Thumbsup:
     
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    Honestly, I hate to say this, but it looks like an under powered Porsche. I'm hoping that it'll grow on me - the Countryman did.
    And the quick design turn around seems like a lot of potential nightmare problems. I have friends with the early R56s that spent more time at the dealer then they did on the road the first year. One just had a full engine rebuild. :frown2:
    Just sayin'
     

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