The System Worked!

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  1. BlimeyCabrio

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    Yippee!!! All is well! Nothing to see here! Move along!
    Napolitano: "The system worked" - POLITICO Live - POLITICO.com

    But, well, that has nothing to do with reality...
    Terrorist Attempts Attack on Airplane - WSJ.com

    So, now, proper deterrence includes not being able to use the lav in the last hour of an international flight. So we can hope the terrorists are napping during the flight and wake up to realize that it's only 59 minutes to landing time, so they're no longer allowed to blow up the plane.
     
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    egad.

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    Yep, in an interview this morning she said that the system did work until it failed.....and that she hadn't to this point reviewed the system but would now... Wait a sec folks, isn't she incharge of National security? :aureola:

    Kinda like reading a bill after voting on it....
     
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    Intelligence agencies still aren't talking to each other. Wasn't W supposed to fix this after 9/11? What happened?
     
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    Somebody should fire that Bush guy for mismanagement. I can't understand why we can't get another President when that dude keeps screwing everything up every day.
     
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    Vote the bums out in 010.. Scare the mess out of the rest.. Maybe we can salvage something!! We are a "Joke" Overseas.... !! ( but it aint no joke here...yes?)

    just me......................................

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    They'll just get replaced by more bums. Probably worse ones.
     
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    it's a cultural thing. it takes more than one presidency to change something that's been ingrained over half a century. The creation of DNI was a start, but, its very structure means there will never be total integration (one agency is not under but rather a horizontal line)
     
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    :prrr::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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    The definition of a working security system

    for air transport is a goal that can't be met. The expectation of perfect security in a system that is supposed to allow the easy flow of people though the system is a contradiction in terms.

    We've trapped ourselves into a definition of success that is impossible in order to create an impression of increased safety. Really, the security systems are only going to make it more difficult to screw with flights, not impossible. Only way to make the skys totally safe is to stop flying planes.

    Matt
     
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    ... or kill all the terrorists...
     
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    Matt's right. These people are willing to kill themselves to do this sort of thing and don't really have any expectation of having to deal with anything after their acts. We can do full body scans of everyone 100% of the time but they'll still find work-arounds. Until we get to a point where all passengers are kept in isolation 24hours before a flight, heavily screened prior to the flight, order to sit perfectly still and quiet with their eyes forward the entire flight, and then let off with the plane thoroughly dissassembled and searched for sabotage there's no real way to stop every attempt at terrorist attacks. On the other hand we can use reasonable measures and ask for passenger vigilance to minimize these acts and realize that some people are really crazy and really determined.

    What really needs to be done is the government should set up their own cells of anti-American terrorists and then sabotage all their own attacks against themselves so that the underwear bombs are all exploding as the terrorists are driving down a country road on the way to the airport. I'm sure if we combined our governments skills at ineptness with Al Quaida's goals terrorism wouldn't really be much of a problem.
     
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    Actually, there is a solution to air port security. Sadly, it is unworkable in most countries outside of Israel. Few years ago LAPD chief Braton sent a task force to Israel to see how they handled airport security. Their conclusion was that ACLU would never allow for Israeli methods to be used. At that time the quote from the Israeli security chief was: "We have never had one of our planes attacked by a Jew".

    Only last week I read where the current Israeli security chief was asked by a reporter whether Israeli security measures were not in fact discriminatory and amounted to profiling. His response was: "We do not believe that all Muslims are terrorists. But it is our experience that all terrorists have been Muslims".

    Draw your own conclusions.
     
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    This may be true in Israel but saddly when it comes to terrorist attacks in the US the we can't really say that 100% of them are carried out by Muslims and so while we're busy screening Ahmed and his family going to Disney world, we miss another Ted Kaczynski or Timothy McVeigh waltzing right through security. About the only way we can really narrow it down is to search all males between the ages of 18 and about 60, but of course it wouldn't be too hard for any organization to start recruiting women or younger people.
     
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    I think the point he was trying to get across is if you know where your threat is coming from, you should be able to examine it without interference from groups like ACLU. I.E.: safety of the many trumps individual rights.

    I know, slippery slope.
     
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    I see that, and in some places the issues can be easily tied up into nice little bundles for profiling purposes. We don't have that luxury in the US though, we've got crazy coming from all directions. I'm no fan of the ACLU, but if the safety of many is your goal than you need to take the complicated steps to achieve that goal, not just take a step that takes care of a part of the problem while facilitating the other part to get worse.
     
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    the mere act of killing all the terrorists (whatever that means) would in of itself, create more terrorists. Terrorist isn't a race of people - it's a state of mind. You can't destroy thoughts with bombs. Certainly, the actions since 9/11 have proven that.

    ""What do you mean, these people?"

    tell that to Yitzhak Rabin
     
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    But he wasn't on a plane. :prrr:
     
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    Ok. Richard Reid was.
     
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    He wouldn't have been if the Israelis were running Hethrow. He was just dark enough for them to get suspicious. :prrr:
     

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