Brakes Wheels 1st Gen Tires Track pads for rear calipers

I would recommend the Porterfield R4. If you are combining that with the Raybestos ST-43 in the front, you will have a nice split bias. You could, and I have, go with a more aggressive pad in the rear, like the Hawk DTC-60. They were pretty good as well. A little more rear bias with the DTC-60's means you need to be a little more careful on the heavy trail breaking corners, but it is nothing scary.

 

We've communicated on this issue in regards to the front pads. For a longer lasting rear pad than stock at the track, Hawk HP+.

At this time PFC only has the Z-compound for the R53 rear. It doesn't have the same torque or bite as HP+, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

 

Over the years that my 04 MCS has been a dedicated track car, I have used either Hawk HP+ or EBC Yellow on the rear. I generally go through 3 sets of front pads to one set of rears. I use Wilwood PolyB pads on the front.

 

You also have the larger rear rotors correct? Once I installed the TCE larger rear rotors, I also went down in pad aggressiveness to a Hawk HP+. On the stock rotor, I don't think that is enough pad to balance the system. IMHO

 

I used to use the EBC Yellows until we had the episode of one side wearing out on about 4 sets. Then I switched to the HP+. They work well and wear forever paired with TSW BDM BBK running ST-43.

Next I'm gonna be running the Poly B compound on the BBK with the BP-10s on the rear. I'm trying this cause I now have Willwood GT rotors in the BBK. And yes, that means I have cracked the Coleman "Race" rotors. That's three strikes - you're out for Coleman.

 

Oops, yes I do. I forgot about that.

 

Here's my .02 on this rear pad question: forget about putting 'track pads' in there and get a rear rotor kit.

The problems associated with the MINI is not that is needs more rear brake so much as it needs a bigger heat sink. Any car that carries the inside wheel in the air into a corner has limited gains in braking....the bigger problem I know of is simply overheating of the rotor and thus the caliper causing a boiling of fluid.

You can solve both these issues; a desire for more torque and heat by a larger rotor- more leverage per psi and more mass to absorb the heat. In all the years I've sold full on front kits I've always stated that anyone doing the rear rotor kit will be fine on oe rear pads or mild street pads. And it's been a good call.


Tell me what Coleman rotors you're using Alan and I'll see if I can help you out. I use them by the hundreds. My suspicions are not that it's a mfg problem but an app/model problem. And fwiw...before you get taken into some other suppliers notion that they can provide you an alternative please know that Coleman is the primary supplier (ie. mfg) for nearly anyone selling "custom rotors" and such.

 

Todd - You already shipped me a set of Wilwood GT rotors. One DE weekend on them, so too early to tell.

 

Ahhh! Those were the ones I sent out a month or so back. I totally forgot about those. They should be significantly beefier for your needs.

 

I am running XP-10s up front with the R53 JCW caliper (same as R56S). They were marginal for me, overheated and left too many streaks of pad material on the OEM rotors until I installed brake ducts. My ducts exit right into the center of the rotor hat. The red caliper paint has also slowed it's progression from red to burned and black/brown.

For the rear, I am running XP-8s on stock calipers and rotors. As noted they last 3-4X longer than the fronts.

Some claim that brake ducts have a pad value of one or two levels. All I know is that my ducts made a difference for my car. I run RBF600 and have never boiled the fluid, even when I was melting/smearing the XP-10s on the rotors.

 

XP8s on the rear for me, like them!

 

As Todd said stock pads seem to work fine on the rear when using a larger than stock rear rotor. I have TCE 13" BBK on the front with 11.75" rotors on the rear. I have used EBC Green and Hawk HPS on the rear for street and track. For the track I only switch the fronts to Wilwood Poly Bs.

 

Ben, I know you have had some seemingly unusual brake problems. I have set up cars in the past with xp-10 up front and xp-8 in the rear with much success. I also have that Tilton brake fluid here, they are in .25 qt bottles. I will look at it on Monday.

 

Good info Ben and I'm happy you've finally found your set up.... Been a long road for ya.....

PS: Email and fill me in on the track weekend!