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  1. rum4

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    Problem #1......FauxNews

    #2....sure cause the insurance companies decided they didn't want to meet the new req's. THEY made the decision to drop the folks instead of simply adjusting the coverage.

    #3......give the program time to get rolling. Kind of hypocritical to try and defund the ACA 50+ times, then turn around and ***** about the fact that people can't sign up for it.
     
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    #3 minimark, Dec 4, 2013
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    They haven't even written and developed the part that actually pays... Obamacare is an exercise in incompetence.

    Obama says that the government will use the taxpayers money to just pay the insurance companies whatever they ask for now, and then review it later. Utter stupidity in action.
     
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    so I guess I should be like the general populace and think that 50k simultaneous users on a $600M dollar website is a GREAT achievement?
     
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    New price on a broken, insecure, and 1/3 complete website $1bil. The whole thing was to be less then $100 mil.

    By most state's laws a policy with the amount of changes required by obama care are new policies. There for the old ones are dropped. The new ones are much more expensive and you are forced to pay for stuff you will never use.

    It's just more transfer of wealth. The only problem this time is it's not from the rich it's from the middle class who don't have the extra money and can't get the subsidies. So we will just create more poor.

    NOTHING about the law was designed to make health care affordable. It was designed to gain more power and control. Typical Washington for both sides. Obama paying the insurance companies is the next step to single payer.

    No other President would ever get away with changing law illegally like he does because everyone is afraid to criticize Him.
     
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    More power and control, you said it all right there.
     
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    Socialism creates the greatest possible monopoly there is
     
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    Until the cash is gone.
     
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    Look at the debt......the cash IS GONE!!!!
     
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    Amen!!
     
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    Scott, the inurance companies CAN'T meet the new requirements without raising prices; basically you're asking them to take on more risk and expand coverage without raising prices--it's not feasible. That's why either they have to get an extension on the requirements, or drop everyone and start over. Even Obama get's that.

    As for the program not being ready for prime time, that has absolutely nothing to do with defunding, but has everything to do with who they chose to develop the sign-up software.

    The system as is, is the most fiscally irresponsible setup possible. Basically the ACA is going to be a high risk pool at discounted prices, good for those who need it, horrible for the young people and middle class who can't afford it, who will be able to find cheaper insurance privately or pay the penalty, essentially defunding the ACA. It will get worse yearly--it will death spiral.

    Only solution is a single payer system, which no one wants, OR, tort reform, and a cap on what an insurance company has to pay for a catastrophic medical situation--where the govt. could have a role. But that would keep insurance prices down, as they would be competing against one another with a safety net in place, and we wouldn't want private business to run the sector when the government can obviously do it so much better....
     
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    Suckers.......
     

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    I saw a title of an article on Yahoo finance news "Obamacare is turning out to be nothing like Medicare" expecting it to say how great obamacare was. Quite the opposite. Even the media is turning on obamacare.
     
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    What we knew was going to happen has already begun. The very sick, and elderly, the one's who get more out of the program than they put in, are signing up. The young and healthy, who put more into the program than they get out (i.e. the people who are desperately needed to make the program financially solvent), aren't. It's not sustainable without serious change.
     
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    ....and this is just the tip of the iceberg. Wait until 2015 and businesses have to comply along with all the individuals who might have gotten the one year grandfather.
     
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    What this is doing to businesses is criminal; the act doesn't affect just health care but the economy itself. There is absolutely no incentive to expand beyond 50 employees; the health care provision becomes a bigger headache to offset growth beyond that, with what is required by business with regard to offering health plans. At a time when we need to grow small and medium business, this rule, which is a somewhat arbitrary cutoff, is a major imepiment--there is disincentive to grow, when what we need is exactly the opposite.

    Whenever we go out for ice cream, I take 30%-40% of my kids right off the top of the cone, so they know what life is going to be like for them.
     
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    So the new law says that kids up to 26 can be on your plan. But the obamacare site will put your kids over 18 (technically not dependents according to the IRS) into medicaid. If you claim them as dependents they can be on your plan but that goes against the IRS rules.

    All this time and money and they can't even get their own law's rules right.
     
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    My father would be s*$@^?* himself right now. Thank god he is not seeing
    this.
     
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    This is exactly the problem, even our fearless leader has admitted it, the young were to pay for our elder's health care. So the question is when they were at the big table deciding how they were going to screw over the American People, where did this show up on the the Pro and Con list? There is no way this scenario did not come up. Where did it place on the scale of Probability? I bet pretty high, if not then we really have clueless wonders running the show.

    Wow this sounds and awful like Social Security doesn't it? ^^^ A text book definition of insanity!
     
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    My dad came to this country to get away from this. If was still here he might have been marching to Washington loaded for politicians.
     

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