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I found the FIA's explanation for the disqualification:

Now we only have one side of this story, and I'd like to hear Red Bull's rebuttal, but that's a pretty detailed set of reasons they've published.

 

They did not use an approved sensor and used one that was not allowed by FIA, one that allowed for more fuel flow. Case closed, in my eyes...if it was Ferrari I would feel the same way.

All I have been discussing is why they might have wanted more fuel flow in the first place.

 

We know that they did not use the FIA sensor, we do not know if the one they used allowed more fuel flow. Why do you keep insisting that they did, has someone reported that fact somewhere? Cause I haven't seen it, but I'd like to read about it........

But since they didn't use the FIA mandated one, even tho it was proven defective, admitted by the FIA to be defective and inaccurate, their appeal will probably be denied on those grounds, not that it gave them an unfair advantage.

But the proof of all this will be in Malaysia, if using the correct sensor they can still be competitive, to me that would prove their case that they did nothing that was outside the rules re: the fuel flow.

 

Yes, but that does not prove that their fuel flow was outside the regulations, only that the FIA sensor was inaccurate, which was my main point. They could use a sensor that would probably cause them to be uncompetitive, or use the fuel model they KNEW was accurate and within the regs....they had to know that the FIA would be all over them for this, so they must have had a strategy and a way to prove they were well withing the fuel flow regs, otherwise why do it? - that's the only thing I can think.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens, but I hold little hope that the result will be re-instated.

The FIA have their reputation, after all.......:blush2::biggrin5:

 

My understanding is that the sensor showed more flow than was permitted, and they were directed by the FIA to compensate by using updated software that would in theory be more accurate. I think it would also have reduced their flow rate if they trusted the FIA readings over their own.

Therefore Red Bull decided to ignore the FIA's fix and used the readings from their own sensors at the injectors to determine the flow. I'm sure that the engineers at Red Bull are very confident that those sensors are accurate, but the FIA doesn't have access to them.

The FIA sensors have a known variance according the manufacturer: 52 percent of the sensors have an accuracy of between 0.1 percent, and 92 percent of the sensors are within 0.25 percent accuracy. So I'm guessing the FIA's fix was to have the software take that into account somehow.

The other teams did have similar concerns with the fuel flow sensor, but used the FIA's fix in the race. Red Bull was the only team to go their own way.

 

Seriously........the new engines sound different (and better IMO) but to sue


F1 - F1: Australian GP officials unhappy with new F1 sound

 

Video comparison of the sound....

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4Dh_EAfJI"]F1 2013 vs 2014 sound comparison - Melbourne - YouTube[/ame]

 

Think Lauda nails it, turbo motors sound different than NA V8s.....it has to evolve.

From motorsports:

Mar.20 (GMM) It is "absurd" to suggest Formula One should urgently turn up the volume of the new turbo V6 engines.

That is the view of Mercedes team chairman Niki Lauda, who days ago in Melbourne admitted the sound of the 22 cars charging to the first corner left him underwhelmed.

Williams technical boss Pat Symonds agrees: "For me the start is the most exciting part of the race, and I loved it when the 22 drivers revved up their engines.

"I don't generally complain about the sound, but at the start (in Melbourne) it did seem a bit quiet," he told Auto Motor und Sport.

Lauda, however, said: "The debate about the engine noise is absurd -- you can't change that now.

"It was decided by all parties five years ago that they wanted turbo engines, and so we put in a turbocharger before the exhaust.

"It has a different sound, any child knows that," the great Austrian told Osterreich newspaper. "If you take the turbo away, you don't have hybrid engines anymore."

As for the duller sound, "We have to get used to it," Lauda insisted.

With a slightly more open attitude, however, is Lauda's Mercedes colleague Toto Wolff.

"I'm not much of an engineer," he told Finland's Turun Sanomat newspaper. "These things will be looked at.

"If it is decided that something must be done, then we would have to think about it carefully.

"I would think that it is possible, but whether it is right, I don't know.

"The V8 engines sounded fantastic, but I saw this race (Melbourne) up close and I can assure you that F1 is still the top of motor sports, it's not GP2.

"This (move to V6) was the right step," Wolff insisted.

 

I thought Merc would have heat issues with the electric motor between the 2 turbo halves. Interesting change.

The functional description is the electric motor on the turbo gets rid of lag. But what if they would actually spin the compressor faster, full throttle, than the exhaust is pushing it? More boost, more power and exhaust extraction.

 

Changing spec's to make the sound better or different would be ludicrous. Not a fan of the sound, but they are what they are. Yep we'll get used to it.

Mercedes & Williams not wanting a change makes perfect sense. They have power plants that are working well. Don't rock the boat.

 

BBC Sport - Red Bull 'may quit F1', says owner Dietrich Mateschitz

The best rebuttal I've seen so far was on The Times (subscription required so I couldn't read the whole thing)

Social sharing | The Times

Personally, I think it's right in line with all the other whinging they've done over the last couple of years. For example "This years' tyres don't favor us, so you need to switch back to last years' formula. Oh, they explode? Well, they still don't favor us."

I think that from now on, I'll refer to the Red Bull RB10 as the "Are Beaten." They need to stop being such sore losers.

 

No worries We can agree to disagree

 

I have to say the SLS has a wonderful voice. Last year as I was leaving the local German show an SLS blasted by me at full wail. Oh what a lovely song it sang. Pure music!

 

While I do love the sound of a nice engine, I gotta say the Formula E cars don't bother me.

Sounds like a spaceship, and since I can't have a flying car like I was promised, I'll take what I can get.

I appreciate a lot of things from the past, but I also recognize that time is unidirectional, and I don't fear or begrudge the present or the future.

Usually.