With Bernie was all worried about the sound of the engines loosing fans, I'm surprised he hasn't spoke up on this issue. That is worse than the step noses by far.
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Whither thou goeth Nico Hülkenberg, Sergio Perez, and Pastor Maldonado?
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McLaren confirms Magnussen for 2014 (GPUpdate.net)
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Looks like Hulkenberg may be the odd man out as Lotus's money deal seems very doubtful.....
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Nov.15 (GMM) Nico Hulkenberg has admitted the likelihood of a Lotus race seat for 2014 has dropped almost to zero.
Asked by the Swiss newspaper Blick to say where he is going after the Brazil finale, the Sauber driver answered: "I can only say that I am going (on), but not where.
"The options are well known," said the German, who despite having a seat fitting at Enstone this week ultimately decided against replacing Lotus' Kimi Raikkonen for the last two races of 2013.
"Force India, Sauber, Lotus," said Hulkenberg.
But the implication of his 'no' to Lotus is that the financially-struggling team could not offer him a seat for 2014.
Hulkenberg did say Lotus would at least have paid him for Austin and Brazil. "Of course I would not drive for nothing. I'm not a charity," he insisted.
For 2014, however, he admitted: "The chances are the worst at Lotus. If you believe the rumours, Maldonado is already there."
Germany's Auto Motor und Sport reports that the deadline for Lotus' 'Quantum' deal to be finalised is Friday.
But correspondent Michael Schmidt said even Lotus no longer believes in a "miracle".
Mark Webber described a driver market in which the highly-rated Hulkenberg could be left on the sidelines as "unhealthy" for the pinnacle of motor sport.
Indeed, Hulkenberg admitted it is curious he was never in real contention to replace Sergio Perez at McLaren.
"I often spoke to Martin Whitmarsh," he said. "It's hard to know why there was so little interest. I believe I have made all the right arguments on the track."
Nevertheless, he said the uncertainty of late 2010 - when Williams left him without a seat for 2011 at the very last minute - was a worse feeling.
"It was constantly put off and put off until I had nothing," said Hulkenberg. "But I was still new to the business. Now I've got used to it."
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Looks like Ferrari thinks that competition might bring the best out in both drivers.....
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Nov.21 (GMM) Having given Fernando Alonso "eight out of ten" for his 2013 season, Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo now insists the Spaniard is not the famous Italian team's number 1 driver.
"I don't like number 1, number 2," he told CNN.
Alonso, who has had an often fraught relationship with di Montezemolo this year and flirted with moves to Red Bull and McLaren, has been controversially paired for 2014 with Ferrari's last world champion, Kimi Raikkonen.
But Brazilian Felipe Massa, who has been regarded as Ferrari's number 2 in recent years, was clearly Alonso's preferred teammate going forwards.
"Alonso knows that he drives to win for himself, but also for Ferrari," di Montezemolo insisted.
"Ferrari is a team and I want drivers (who) will drive and will act and react as a team member, not only one man," he added.
Di Montezemolo also dismissed suggestions Alonso, who infamously clashed with Lewis Hamilton at McLaren in 2007, will not get along with Finn Raikkonen.
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I think I like Whitmarsh a little more today.
Whitmarsh had deal for Magnussen (GPUpdate.net)
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Could the last name maybe been Williams?
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Ron Dennis brokered a deal that put Perez in at Force India along with the Hulk. That's a strong pairing for them.
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Google added the McLaren Technology Center to Street View
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Mercedes Formula 1 team poised to announce Ross Brawn's departure (autosport.com)
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Every time you fill up with Citgo gas you are helping Lotus now.
OK, it's a bit of a stretch. But the Venezuelan National Oil Company does own Citgo here in the states.
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2014 Cars will be Tough to Drive
Jenson Button is expecting the 2014 cars to be more difficult to drive due to increased torque and less downforce - a prospect that he does not find exciting.
The new engines will be fitted with fuel flow restrictors and lower rev limiters, but will still produce a similar level of power when combined with the energy recovery boost systems. However, they will also produce significantly more torque, which is set to increase the chances of wheelspin at low revs and make the cars more of a handful.
Button has driven McLaren's 2014 car in the team's simulator, and while he believes such work will be important, he said drivers will only really know what they are up against when the cars hit the track in January.
"It's about getting an understanding of the power unit and how we are going to put the power down, because it's not going to be easy. There's going to be a lot of simulator work and running through other things that are going to help us put the power down, because I don't think any of us are used to having torque. I've raced for 14 years in F1 and I've never had torque so it's going to be a new experience.
"In reality I think it will be easier than in the simulator. The initial oversteer is very difficult to feel in the simulator - that initial feeling that you get through your bum in a race car. I think it will be easier in reality but we're going to find it tough. In high speed corners you're off power for so long and you just can't get the power down. You're waiting the whole time. It's not like now with so much downforce and so little torque that you can just floor it and even if you run a bit wide you just understeer off the circuit. But with the 2014 car if you floor it in a corner like Turn 3 at Barcelona, you don't just drive off, you immediately lose the rear because there is so much torque. It's not a balance issue, you have torque and we've never had that before.
"I don't think it will be more exciting to drive. We are going to be fighting for grip the whole time, so I don't think that will make it more exciting."
Asked if that would detract from the enjoyment of F1, he said: "If you've got a quick car it won't [be less enjoyable], because you'll still be fighting at the front. I think over a qualifying lap you might not get such a buzz, unless you've put it on pole. The racing will still be exciting, but I think it will be more close and there will be more fighting. There is a lot anyway but the way the cars will be, with less downforce, harder tyres and more torque, you'll get close racing a bit like GP2 because it will be so much easier to make a mistake."
McLaren is known for having some of the best simulator tools in Formula One and Button believes that will be an advantage as long as the wind tunnel is providing reliable data to feed it.
"It's very important but also you have to make sure that it is correlating correctly with reality and everything that's coming out of the wind tunnel is correct," he said. "If you're putting the numbers into the simulator and they're wrong then you're driving around in a car that is completely different to reality and you're not really learning as much as you should. It's always tough to know how much to believe.
"But, yes, I think the simulator is good and we turn up at a grand prix weekend and FP1 is probably our quickest session over the whole race weekend and that's because we've done our homework [in the simulator]. It's not because we've worked harder, it's because we have better tools at our disposal. So, yes, it is good and we're spending quite a bit of time in there over the winter. It's just a very different feeling with the engine because the revs are so low and you are using very different gears to what we are using now. One of the most important things is to get the sound queuing correct, because if you don't you get completely lost."
Source: 2014 cars will be tough to drive - Jenson Button | McLaren | Formula 1 news, live F1 | ESPN F1
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