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mrntd · Jun 10, 2014

What a great race!

But even with the Mercs cripple it was hard to catch and pass them. If they're healthy, they'll win.

It looks like Perez was holding up the Red Bulls a bit. They could touch him on the straights but they were better in the turns. Just not enough turns in Canada (C ay N ay D ay, heard if from a Canadian )

Crashton · Jun 10, 2014

Happy B Day Hobbo !!!

Steve · Jun 10, 2014

Canadian GP F1 technical analysis: What went wrong for Mercedes (autosport.com)

By Craig Scarborough | Sunday, June 8th 2014, 22:35 GMT

Mercedes was denied a sixth consecutive Formula 1 one-two finish by the failure of the kinetic energy recovery system (ERS-K) on both of its cars in the Canadian Grand Prix.

Halfway through the race, both Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg reported a loss of power. Their top speeds dropped and, as a result, so did their laptimes.

Hamilton soon retired with smoke pouring from the rear brakes, while Rosberg managed to hold on to the lead until he was passed by Daniel Ricciardo on the penultimate lap.

Mercedes has confirmed that a high-voltage control electronics failure led to the permanent loss of MGU-K driver on both cars.

Canadian GP F1 technical analysis: What went wrong for Mercedes
By Craig Scarborough Sunday, June 8th 2014, 22:35 GMT

Lewis Hamilton goes off while leading Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, Canadian GP 2014, Montreal

Mercedes was denied a sixth consecutive Formula 1 one-two finish by the failure of the kinetic energy recovery system (ERS-K) on both of its cars in the Canadian Grand Prix.

Halfway through the race, both Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg reported a loss of power. Their top speeds dropped and, as a result, so did their laptimes.

Hamilton soon retired with smoke pouring from the rear brakes, while Rosberg managed to hold on to the lead until he was passed by Daniel Ricciardo on the penultimate lap.

Mercedes has confirmed that a high-voltage control electronics failure led to the permanent loss of MGU-K driver on both cars.

Canadian Grand Prix race report

In simpler terms, the electronic units that switch the power from the battery to the kinetic motor generator unit (MGU-K) failed.

This would result in the drivers losing some 160bhp from the power unit, leaving only the conventional turbocharged internal combustion engine to propel the cars, with just over 600bhp.

Having to switch hundreds of volts between the MGU-K and the battery, the control electronics hardware has to run with high electrical loads and at high temperatures.

Control electronics have proven to be the most unreliable of the six modules of the new 2014 power units.

Mercedes has enjoyed better reliability with these components than its rivals, although Hamilton had replaced his control electronics after Saturday morning practice. That was the third unit he has used this year, compared to Rosberg's two.

With this failure, Hamilton will have to use his fourth set of control electronics, meaning he has just one more set to use for the balance of the season without incurring grid penalties.

As both units failed on the same lap and just after pitstops, it is likely that excessive heat may be a factor in the problems.

With high ambient temperatures in Montreal and a spike in temperature, the car being stationary at a pitstop appears to have overcome the electronics.

Compounding the loss of the ERS-K, there is the impact this has on the brakes.

As the ERS-K harvests its energy, it also creates drag on the rear axle and acts as part of the car's braking system.

Without it, the car therefore loses a proportion of the rear braking effort.

To save weight, teams have downsized the rear brake disc and caliper for 2014. This in turn leaves the rear brakes unable to cope with delivering the entire braking effort alone.

With Montreal being one of the hardest tracks for braking, is not surprising that Hamilton's rear brakes failed soon after the MGU-K problem hit. That said, Paddy Lowe did suggest to Sky TV that the two were not related.

Rosberg adjusted his brake bias and, with a lack of braking effort and the absence of 160hp, still managed to finish second.

His early fuel consumption problems would have been exacerbated by having only the internal combustion engine to power the car for the balance of the race.
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mrntd · Jun 11, 2014

I looks like every one may end up going past their allocation. You'd think that when you introduce a totally new power package regulation, that is unlike anything else, you would reduce the number of units in the season as well.:crazy:

F1 wonders why TV ratings are down. :frown2:

beken · Jun 11, 2014

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F1 wonders why TV ratings are down. :frown2:
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I just watched my PVR recording of the Montreal race.

When Hamilton's car broke down, the broadcast had cut to commercial.
Too often when key events happen during a race, the broadcast cuts to commercial. When nothing in particular is happening, I get to listen to the commentators drivel on looking for things to say.

I get the feeling the producer is not a racing fan. .. at least for the Canadian broadcasts.

Zapski · Jun 11, 2014

beken said: ↑

I just watched my PVR recording of the Montreal race.

When Hamilton's car broke down, the broadcast had cut to commercial.
Too often when key events happen during a race, the broadcast cuts to commercial. When nothing in particular is happening, I get to listen to the commentators drivel on looking for things to say.

I get the feeling the producer is not a racing fan. .. at least for the Canadian broadcasts.
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Which is why I stream the races over the interwebs from a Sky TV pirate site (there are several and they move around as they get caught). Or otherwise acquire them later if I can't watch them live. The live streams are not HD, but there's no commercials. I'd gladly pay SkyF1 for the privilege of watching them legally, but alas, they aren't in the US.

mrntd · Jun 12, 2014

The commentators were saying that with the fuel flow regulator the new engines only rev to 12k rpm. That will make a big difference in the sound level 18k to 12k rpm.

mrntd · Jun 13, 2014

New rumor is that Caterham is done and won't be at the next race. No more money.

If F1 wants to reduce cost get rid of the expensive engines (sorry, power packages)

Steve · Jun 13, 2014

I'd not heard of this until now. Pretty cool video, though the unfortunate music is unnecessary...feel free to mute, there's nothing useful on the sound track.

Analysis: MADMAT fuel safety system a no-brainer for F1 (autosport.com)

By Craig Scarborough | Friday, June 13th 2014, 10:19 GMT

As part of the MADMAT evaluation, the manufacturers demonstrated the product to the FIA and Formula 1 team personnel at Barcelona.

Race director Charlie Whiting and his technical team, plus representatives from F1 teams, were invited to the demonstration. Additionally I was the only journalist there.

MADMAT's representatives set up two one-metre square floors.

The first was a simple aluminium pan with no flooring system to replicate a normal garage floor.

Then there was the MADMAT floor, with an identical floor pan, but with the aluminium wadding and floor panels mounted above it.

They had five litres of regular petrol poured into them and then ignited remotely with an electrical spark.

Both floors were immediately ablaze.

As you can see from these pictures, the conventional floor was soon entirely covered with a huge raging fire, with flames jumping over five feet in the air and a thick plume of black smoke rising up into the air.

Just a few metres away, the MADMAT floor had a low fire in a small area of the floor - and more importantly very little smoke.

The stark comparison between the two fires was evident and the fear that the conventional floor fire may have occurred in the tight confines of pit garage was sobering.

But the overall impression of the fire suppressant properties of the floor was best felt by my cheeks.

On my right, the conventional floor some 30-feet away was heating up the side of my face.

On my left, there was no obvious heat from the MADMAT floor. Indeed I'd have felt comfortable walking right up next to or even standing on one of the non burning areas of the floor panel.

After the demonstration, it was clear that the flooring did exactly what it set out to prove.

The feeling among those present that it was a "no-brainer" to progress with plans to introduce the safety flooring into the team's garages.
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[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3p7WsT52Qg"]Barcelona Test Video - YouTube[/ame]

Steve · Jun 17, 2014

F1: Haas sure starting from zero is right move (racer.com)

Tuesday, 17 June 2014

Gene Haas insists he is better off having the difficulties of starting his new Formula 1 team from scratch rather than buying a current outfit like Caterham or Marussia.

Although bracing himself for some tough times when he enters F1 at the start of 2016, Haas believes that purchasing a current team to ease his entry would have brought with it too many complications. When asked if he was now fully committed to doing it himself, rather than look at buying someone else's entry, Haas replied: "Absolutely.

"I'm not even sure those teams are for sale; people say they're for sale, but every time you talk to them there are always complications â€“ you have to pay this debt off, it's in this location, you have these people. So anytime you buy an existing team you have these complications.

"With our way we have a fresh start, which obviously has its problems. We're going to struggle, no doubt about that. We have a lot of learning to do.

"We have to figure out how to get the cars on the track, how to get them to the track, so there's a lot of that needs to be done. And that's what's going to take time to build."

EUROPEAN BASE PLANNED

Although some have questioned Haas running an F1 team out of his Charlotte headquarters, there are plans to set up a European base as well to help on the logistics front.

"There will have to be some kind of European base at least for the cars to go to initially, because we've got to ship them out of either London or Germany," he said. "We'll probably have to have something where we can at least work on the cars. Primarily everything is going to be made in North Carolina.

"The engines and stuff will go there, and the finished cars will then be shipped to some location [in Europe] for transport to the races, or the European races. Then when they're done they'll go back there for refurbishment, or whatever is required."

Haas also does not think it will be a problem to attract the right personnel to his F1 team despite the main factory being in the United States.

"Being in Charlotte, the distance between there and London is an eight-hour flight, and there are so many direct flights, so the transportation and communication shouldn't be too big of an issue," he said. "That's just the way it is these days. If we have to find the right people and they are in different parts of the world, we can use this technology to bring them together with us."

Originally on Autosport.com
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Nathan · Jun 20, 2014

Formula One considers adopting standing restarts - Grand Prix racing could spice up its show in 2015

Here's a new one: Formula One is considering implementing standing restarts in 2015 in an effort to increase the action following safety-car periods.

Autosport reports that the idea came about following ongoing talks on how to improve F1's on-track action, and doing away with traditional rolling restarts has been identified as one way to improve the spectacle.

Autosport says its sources confirmed that the change to standing restarts was approved this week during a meeting of the F1 commission, and that “once lapped cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, cars will form up on the grid once a safety-car period has ended. There will then be the same procedure of a standing start as happens at the beginning of races.”

The switch to standing restarts must now simply be ratified by the FIA World Motor Sport Council during a meeting scheduled for next week.

Zapski · Jun 20, 2014

For a moment I was wondering why have a safety car at all, why not have everyone pit and then have an out-lap to the grid if they wanted to do that, then I realized that the cars engines are not designed for that kind of thing, and that they'd overheat and burn out.

*sigh*

Nathan · Jun 20, 2014

Formula One to keep Friday practice - F1 commission cannot agree on ways to cut costs

Formula One failed to make significant cost-saving progress at a meeting on Wednesday, Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport reports.

Earlier, it was reported that the F1 Commission, which includes the FIA, Bernie Ecclestone, the teams and other key stakeholders, voted down the proposal to cut Friday morning practice from next year’s race weekend format.

According to media reports in Germany, all but one cost-cutting measure was voted down.

The proposed ban on tire warmers was another victim of Wednesday’s meeting, but Pirelli has offered to pay teams that run its logo on the blankets next year $271,606 each.
So,the only cost-cutting done for 2015 and beyond was in the already tightly restricted area of testing. All preseason testing will now take place in Europe; Bahrain was ruled too expensive a destination.

The eight days of in-season testing has been reduced to four in 2015, with two days reserved for young drivers.

And in 2016, winter testing will shrink from 12 days to only eight, with a total in-season testing ban to once again be enforced.

A team insider is quoted as saying, “Once again, we have failed to save hardly anything, but at least the crazy idea of the shorter weekend is gone.”

minimark · Jun 21, 2014

!!!!!!

Steve · Jun 21, 2014

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!!!!!!
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Seconded. :wink:

Steve · Jun 21, 2014

Rob Smedley: "Felipe - No one is faster than you."
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:biggrin5:

Minidave · Jun 21, 2014

So, did they give him a mulligan on having 4 wheels off at turn 8 on his pole lap? Cause it sure looked like he went off to me.......

Sentimental offering to the gods of F1?

I'm not as enamored of the guy as some folks are, but I sure like that he got to thumb his nose at Ferrari today!

It will be interesting to see if teammate Bottas can hold off Rosbug in the early going and give Flip a chance to get away into clean air, otherwise I'm not sure Williams have much of a chance of winning the race.

Could be a real fun race tomorrow......

Crashton · Jun 21, 2014

Yes should be a good race. I really enjoyed quali, very happy Williams got the front row. Got a kick out of Lewis spoiling Nico's flying lap. Pretty sure it was a mechanical issue. :wink:

minimark · Jun 22, 2014

Lewis's head is going to explode before the season is over....mean time, Nico's benefiting from the rivalry and is getting better and better every week!! Question is: just how good will he become?[emoji6]

minimark · Jun 22, 2014

A pit crew who likes it's driver will naturally work harder to do well for him, the opposite can occur if they don't.... Not saying they don't like Lewis....but he can be a whiny arsed little prick in public, imagine him when they roll the garage doors down...[emoji23]

Nico has recognised that this is his opportunity to shine and is going about his business doing it.

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