2014 - F1

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  1. Steve

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    I have a fraction of a memory I'm trying to piece back together.

    When the sports car world was atwitter over the dearth of noise from the almost instantly successful Audi diesel prototypes I think Wolfgang Ullrich famously said something like "noise is wasted energy." Of course he was much more interested in racing success than the sensational aspects of putting on a "show."

    Bernie, on the other hand, wants change for the sake of increasing noise levels as quickly as possible regardless of how it will affect performance.
     
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    Isn't that the same as picking yourself up by your bootstraps?

    If at max power (50% of the time at Monza, isn't it?) you are taking energy out of the battery to drive the turbocharger, when and from what is that amount of energy going back into the battery? Do these cars even have a regular engine-driven alternator any more?
     
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    The MGU-H can operate either as a generator or as a motor, not both at the same time. So if you're spinning up the turbo to increase the boost past what the exhaust gasses are producing (beyond what's needed to reduce turbo-lag), you're losing battery energy and burning precious fuel. You could do it, but it seems like a risky strategy to me.

    I'm not sure on the alternator. They had them last year (Renault kept having problems with them). I'll see what I can find out.
     
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    The batteries recharge when not at full boost. Most of the tracks they're not at full throttle anyway. The over boost may not be used all the time just when needed. Just an idea.
     
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    Here's a clear sign I spent too much time looking at the new noses. Saw this graphic and realized I can recognize 6 of the 2014 cars based on nothing more than nose shape. :nonod:

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    #586 rum4, Mar 21, 2014
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Bb9KkQwKM"]Formula One V6 turbo: 2014 Rules Explained - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    ‘Submarine’ risk with new noses realised at season opener (grandprix247.com)
    Here's the photo:

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    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure if the nose is lower than the rear crash structure you're going to plow up the car in front. :frown2:

    New noses for next year.
     
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    At least they'll look prettier. Unless someone comes up with an even stranger description.

    In the meantime, I really hope no one gets hurt as a result of this.
     
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    Red Bull apologises for ‘Mark spec’ part (sniffpetrol.com)
     
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    Interesting glimpse behind the scenes.

    American F1 team could get FIA green light this week (racer.com)
     
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    Anyone have thoughts on what the FIA might do concerning the Russia
    round?
     
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    It's still some time off, October 12.

    I imagine that they're playing a "wait and see" game. It's not like they've never gone to controversial venues before. Besides with Marussia and others being fairly beholden to Russia and Russian companies for funding these days, I think it will go forward.

    And you know ol' Bernie's going to be charging forward with all cylinders firing. He only cares about the Rubles.
     
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    I'd say Zapski's right, the only way they'd cancel a race is if the venue doesn't pay the king's ransom to Bernie.....

    Although they did cancel the Bahrain race once over domestic violence, didn't they? Or was it Abu Dabi?
     
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    It was Bahrain. The politics didn't make that decision it was security for the teams.
     
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    Right, due to political unrest and associated violence, along with threats to the teams IIRC.....
     
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    BBC Sport - Red Bull 'may quit F1', says owner Dietrich Mateschitz

    The best rebuttal I've seen so far was on The Times (subscription required so I couldn't read the whole thing)

    Social sharing | The Times

    Personally, I think it's right in line with all the other whinging they've done over the last couple of years. For example "This years' tyres don't favor us, so you need to switch back to last years' formula. Oh, they explode? Well, they still don't favor us."

    I think that from now on, I'll refer to the Red Bull RB10 as the "Are Beaten." They need to stop being such sore losers.
     
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    I'm with Jeff on this one. To me F1 has become a large video game controlled by electronics. We complain about how the new F56 has too much technology built into it....that we like grassroots cars like the R53 was and then we wrap our arms around F1. Give me grassroots racing where sanctioning bodies don't control every piece of the race, politics don't dictate the winner and drivers actually drive. Sorry for the rant.
     
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    No worries :) We can agree to disagree :)
     
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    Here's another new sound/audio option for comparison.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IptBVdys-mo"]Jarno Trulli - Formula E test drive - YouTube[/ame]
     

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