2014 - F1

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  1. Crashton

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    Sounds like an electric leaf blower. That's not a beautiful sound to this old fart.
     
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    I think my electric leaf blower is quite a bit louder than that.
     
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    F1 cars should scream in anger. Not whine and whimper in fear.
     
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    #604 Steve, Mar 25, 2014
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    To be honest, the screaming isn't such a big deal to me. When the F1 cars scream, it represents the sound of F1 and I like the distinction of that noise, but that doesn't mean it's the best sound in the world to me.

    The noise that really got me going during F1 races in recent years was the deep, throaty rumble from the Merc safety car. Wow! Every time I heard that growl I wished the F1 cars would sound like that, or maybe just some of them. I'd even pick up the DVR remote so I could rewind, crank up the volume and listen again...a few times. Then I'd drop the volume back to normal for the rest of the race.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MlGucYOxOM"]Mercedes SLS Formula 1 (F1) Safety Car SOUND - In Action On The Track - YouTube[/ame]

    The medical car isn't bad either.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqRfwix-ntg"]The Best Sounding Emergency Vehicle: The Mercedes C63 AMG F1 Medical Car - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    I have to say the SLS has a wonderful voice. Last year as I was leaving the local German show an SLS blasted by me at full wail. Oh what a lovely song it sang. Pure music! :D
     
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    While I do love the sound of a nice engine, I gotta say the Formula E cars don't bother me.

    Sounds like a spaceship, and since I can't have a flying car like I was promised, I'll take what I can get. :)

    I appreciate a lot of things from the past, but I also recognize that time is unidirectional, and I don't fear or begrudge the present or the future.

    Usually. ;)
     
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    I'm all for leaf blowers. Blowers on engines too. :wink:
     
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    Yeah, 2 am to 4 am, I'll be recording those for later viewing! :Thumbsup:

    I want the Formula E cars to sound like Jetsons cars! :biggrin5:
     
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    DVR material this time around.

    Watch the spoilers folks...thanks.
     
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    Horner: We are extremely confident that we have not broken the rules (grandprix247.com)
     
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    Was that an emergency vehicle competition? The safety car got plenty of marks for big use of the kerbs but I'd give the medical car driver 9/10 for just the right amount of power oversteer (while lots of people are watching, hoping to see you overcook it....).
     
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    Good luck with that, Red Bull. I quote the regulations:

    Unless their sensors at the fuel injectors (which is what they've said they used) are "placed wholly within the fuel tank" it seems to me that they broke the rules. Also the dictionary definition of "Homologated" is "sanction, allow; especially : to approve or confirm officially."

    Unless of course they want to argue that the mere presence of the sensor is compliance.
     
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    They will argue, & they will lose. The FIA has an iron fist.
     
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    I think this is exactly their point. That, and their claimed ability to prove the car's fuel flow rate was legal despite what the FIA sensor said.

    5.10.3 and .4 say you have to install an FIA sensor, they say where it needs to be installed, and they say the info from that FIA sensor must be provided to the FIA.

    However -- and I realize this is picking nits like a lawyer, please pardon -- they do not say the readings from the FIA's meter are final or enforceable.

    RBR may make that argument and then claim their (RBR's) flow rate sensor is accurate while the FIA sensors provided them were not.

    That said, I'm not implying they'll get away with it, just saying they probably saw this as a loophole when they were developing for the season and now feel they have a case...and that arguing it is worth the risk.

    Speaking of risk didn't someone else appeal a somewhat similarly severe penalty a couple years back only to be slapped with a hefty fine as punishment when they lost the appeal? Given the history of failed FIA appeals, and this isn't just an F1 thing, seems like a considerable risk to me.
     
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    Stefanovich's second F1 bid fails due to lack of engine deal (grandprix247.com)
     
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    The lines in bold remind me of the first thing that came to my mind when I heard there might be inconsistency among fuel flow sensors. I didn't actually imagine teams having access to many sensors so they could pick a favorite, just expected some to get lucky to receive sensors that read inaccurately but in their favor.

    Fuel sensors could decide races, warns Horner (racer.com)
     
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    If the FIA sensors aren't reliable, which other teams have also said, then they should scrap the rule until they can police it correctly.

    All this costs a bunch of money at a time when they FIA says they should spend less.
     
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    Here's some insight on why the sensors may not be working as advertised. From Racecar Engineering's free issue. The bold is mine.

     
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    How bout that....
     

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