I'd rather see Vettel put forth 110% effort and wreck out than settle for a middle of the pack finish. Kudos to him.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
I might actually pay to watch their new series if they make "Star in a Tumbling Ball of Burning Wreckage" a regular feature. I mean, you know, as long as it's not simulated... -
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Red Bull have designed four cars for last-minute engine (grandprixtimes.com)
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
I think Renault is still their best bet, given the MBZ and Ferrari both said a resounding Nyet! but Honda is still in there pitching, and I still think at some point Honda will get it right and become a force at the front......
I don't know why I think this considering the might and money of Toyota never did......maybe because Honda has been successful in F1 in the past? -
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Read an interesting article that the proposed "Customer Engine" is the Indy car engine from Ilmore. It's close in HP, lighter, and a lot cheaper ($4mil vs $25mil). It could make things more interesting and would actually reduce cost unlike so many of F1's other ideas.
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
FWIW, those Indy engines don't sound any better in race form than the F1 V-6 does......
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
The thing that bugs me about this possible 'alternative' engine plan is it looks like a single option, spec engine. If you don't want one of the expensive hybrids, here's your alternative but you have to buy this one from our supplier.
I want them to decide on an alternative engine option in terms of formula -- a formula not so restrictive as to eliminate variable solutions -- and let teams build or buy what they want. Go ahead and set up an assured supply via a contract but don't restrict teams from using another as long as if fits the formula.
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And, would the alternative engines also have Kers and so on?
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I don't know whether anyone outside the Todt-Ecclestone circle know specifics. One version I read a while back said it might include a basic KERS but I haven't seen anything recently that mentioned any hybrid components.
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They need to to$$ Kers.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Red Bull and Renault emerge from divorce with a plan (grandprix247.com)
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
.....and they al had a very unique "look", no cookie cutter cars.
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
Sheesh......whatever happened to simply reading gauges.
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One grew up in Monaco and the other didn't.
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They still do that.
But I know what your trying to say...back to this "only". Not sure if I agree with it. To me F1 is all about tech and pushing the envelope. I like all the sensors, etc. -
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I would love to see the simpler telemetry at the bottom of the screen when ever they are covering a car.
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On his way to the track....
Lewis crashes his car.
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