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I have ran a 22mm rear bar on all my MINI's until I got my Coupe. After talking with Chad at DT I opted for the 25mm H-Sport hollow competition rear bar. It's lighter than the 22mm solid bar and feels great. Some have said that it is a compromise between the 19 and 22mm solids. I highly recommend it. Justa my 2 cents.


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:cornut: WRONG! They don't have the JCW sway bars listed at all only standard and sport. The rear on the JCW is 18.5mm.

Jason

 

I think that's great Scott. Personally I don't like the Alta bar because it has welded ends and the finish is painted not powder coat. They sell a lot of them though. The H Sport bar is one piece and powder coated with grease zerks as noted by Way.

 

YES the Hsport Comp bar is 25.5mm but since it is hollow it is the save stiffness as a 22mm bar. Yes saving weight on your car is a good thing. But the biggest advantage over the madness bar is the quality and the bushings it uses. The madness is just a flat bushing so the grease will come out of it and squeak, also the coating on the madness bar I've seen come off numerous times. The Hsport bar is a one piece without welded ends. Welded ends isn't a bad thing if it's done right as we do it on the TSW bar and it works great, but I've seen other companies have issues with welded ends so I see your concern there. Go the the Hsport Comp bar and never look back. It's the #1 selling bar for the MINI for a reason.

 

I have NM lowering springs, 25 mm H Sport and Koni Yellows. Bar set on middle hole. Great street set up!


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To coin a really corny saying, I've found that all I need to do is ask what Way would do. Its worked for us for almost five years now on both an R50 and R56. He's a good source, even if he does occasionally misunderstand what "Italian Job" means (no Fiats there Way).

He supplied my 19mm bar, four years ago. It works great.

 

Glad you enjoy the new found handling increase. One word of warning, when at the limit don't lift. :wink:

 

The Ireland Engineering fixed camber plates will add about 1.9 degrees of negative camber to the front of your MINI. This will help your car turn in & corner better. If you are adding lowing springs that is the time to do the camber plates. No extra labor, you are already there with the spring change.

The adjustable rear arms are there to remove excessive rear camber that you will gain when you lower your MINI. Yes recommend the H-Sport rear control arms, have them on my MINI. Once all of this is done get a good alignment.

 

A lot depends on driving style. I find my front tires are wearing more evenly than they were before I put the plates in. Yes they do wear a bit more on the inside, but that is a trade off I'm willing to make.

How much negative camber the IE plates give you is dependent on your car. Not all MINI's will end up at -1.9.

That is a lot of negative rear camber. Having some taken out will also help your car turn, even without the front plates.

 

:cornut: I went a different direction and the problem that you are having went away. Margi is an 08 R56 BRG MCS/JCWm and also has the Sport Suspension. Now with the sport suspension we already have heavier antisway bars.(standard suspension have 22mm/17mm[front and rear], sport suspension 23.5mm/18mm, and JCW 24mm/18.5mm). I read a lot about the problem and decided that for me, the best solution was to dump unsprung weight which tightens and balances the suspension by a considerable amount. So the heavy run flat tires were replaced with non run flat tires(~5lbs lighter per tire)size 215x45 R17s and the light weight(24lbs each) MINI sport wheels were replaced with 14lbs each OZ Allegerettes and there by dumping a considerable amount of unsprung weight(like 60-70lbs). Just this resulted in more rapid acceleration, decreased braking distance, much better road, curve, and turn handling. The difference was obviously noticeable and nothing else has changed(ie no AEM parts) on the suspension. I would never say that my way is better, it was just better for me. The 22mm rear antisway bar is cheaper than what I did but what I did helped the entire suspension as opposed to only push/understeer.

Jason

 

Eibach 19mm sway bar

I have an 09 S with Sport suspension and I couldn't deal with getting airborn over the smallest imperfections in the road with the stiffness of it (and run flats) so I got NM springs, 215/45/17 tires and the sway bar. The sway bar made the car very balanced and I can induce oversteer if I want but it will not snap and surprise me. Not sure if you really need 22mm but I guess you can set it to the softest setting and it will be similar to my 19 at the stiffest setting. It's a great investment. And ditch the run flats when they wear out.

 

According to Realoem.com the standard rear sway bar is 17mm and the sport/JCW bar is 18mm

RealOEM.com   BMW R56 Coop.S JCW Stabilizer, rear

 

You will find that most will agree that the 22mm bar is great if you do not plan on getting front camber plates. If you plan on getting front camber plates (lots of reason to get them) then a 19mm is plenty.

 

I had a Madness 22mm rear bar on my 06 R53 and it made all the difference

in the world. Don't hesitate!

 

For me the 19mm with IE fixed plates & a good alignment is the sweet spot. I did not want a 22mm bar because I planned to do track days & felt it would be a bit tail happy in fast corners.

Since you have lowered your car has it been aligned? Lowering adds negative camber which also adds toe-in to the front. That will give you even more understeer.

 

Jason please read the top of the page at that link.......

 

And good ones like the H- Sports are adjustable.

 

All 19mm or 22mm sway bars will make a huge difference in handling on the MINI so you can't go wrong with upgrading to either as you see from the other responses of each person likes whatever they got.
Typically if you've just got a street car and not ever going to do any track days or AutoX you can just go with a TSW 19mm sway bar

If you want more aggressive or going to do track days or AutoX you will want the bigger 22mm bar. The Hsport Comp bar is by far the best. It is the lightest too.

Both the bars I recommend are the best choices as they both have 3 adjustments, quality powdercoat, both have the best bushings that actually have grease channels in them to hold the grease in the bushing unlike other bushings on different bars, and the brackets have zerk fittings to regrease if need be later but usually don't.