I was going to write something similar about 2 posts into this thread but didn't. It's real difficult to post anything without getting smacked for having anything that with a chassis code that doesn't end in 3. I don't think everything BMW has done is a masterstroke, but there are different strokes for different folks.
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I can't help but agree with Nathan here...
The slamming of F56 (and even R56) owners needs to stop.
If we're going to be a proper alternative to NAM... we've gotta welcome more people with open arms.-
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I do like the R53 better, but I test drove some 56s and I kind of see the appeal, just not exactly what I wanted from a MINI. I do think it's fair to say that with every new generation a car seems to get further from it's roots. So Classic owners who bash 53 owners for owning the "soft" MINIs and what-not are right. It'll always be Classic owners telling R53 owners who are telling R56 owners who are telling F56 owners that THEY have the real MINI, and the next gen up is nothing but over-weight, watered-down garbage.
But I agree, bashing is a bad idea. I don't think we need to be all soft, cuddly, welcoming everyone in with bear hugs and hot tea, but I understand where this is coming from.
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The die hard classic guys would say the R53 is a watered down Mini, and they would be correct. The R53 did try to retain the soul of the mini and so did the R56. I use to poke fun at the R56 because well it was fun. But at the end of the day when I drive an R56 it is still Mini, just like the R53. The R56 was more refined just like an R53 is more refined then a classic.
You can't make a classic in todays world, it won't pass all the regulations. I understand when they designed the F56 they had to comply with regulations. I don't like the styling of the F56 but it is growing on me. My problem is that BMW cut the soul out of the car. I like BMW they have stayed true to there performance roots. The F56 is a nice BMW. I don't mean that in a bad way. It is a good handling car that reminds me of other BMW. But it does not have the soul of a Mini.
It seems to me someone at BMW thinks being cute and funny is all it takes to be MINI, that are misled.
If you have a F56 and like your car thats great! Start moding it and show us some pictures, I am interested, I am a car guy. I know F56 owners will come up with stuff we all think is cool. So welcome to the family.
All I ask is when we are giving each other a hard time about what we drive don't take it personally. Just give it back. You can call my 02 a rattle trap, just smile when you say it.:biggrin5:-
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I love my R56. I just let any negativity from anyone else roll off my back, because really - who cares so long as I'm happy with my car?
Although I have to admit it does bug me when people say the Mini is a "girly" car. Not quite sure why, especially considering my sex....-
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Not a surprise. I think the 4 door has better proportions than the 2 door. Not that I want a 4 door anything.
I'll have my MINI a good long while yet then maybe the rumored new CR-Z with the type r motor. -
I know Germans take things litterly.....but "growing the brand" means more than car size!!
I can see how the 5 door is good to have...tempting the 20 something's that are getting married, starting families.... So a car they can grow into....but looks a bit like an higher price Honda fit....
Still waiting to pass one in "the wild" too see if it looks OK....the bigger size does seem to make the front look less...er...henious, and the back lights look less...er...comical...poprpotions are better than on the 2 door in some ways, but it is less mini and more tall 5 door....more like a tall wagon...
Now if the sold them in brown and diesel, car journalists would be thrilled!!
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The thing is, the "halo" cars and cars folks aspire to buy moves the more more mundane.....
This increases volume....even if some are sold in low numbers at a loss....
The volume cars support the few "halo" cars cause you cannot expect to amotrize the cost of making a few cars like a "gp", etc...
Up till now, mini has tried to make nothing but deritives of the basic mini....
Kinda like the Honda accord and the crosstour, or the Toyoda highlander and the venza... Both deritives ...and both newly canceled...they were just too much like their cousins to make sense to many folks......even with a low development cost. -
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If people will just admit that MINI sold out and killed a great "little" driving enthuistes car the world would be fine .
Just admit it already. :incazzato:
They don't build large MINI's to support anything other then the BMW Mothership.
The X3 is a pile of steaming dung so they made the MINI BIGGER to sell more cars to the masses because they failed with the BMW versions.
They took a unique little trendy car and made it an appliance. They have ruined the brand and unless someone like Stevenson comes back it will continue to be just another ugly car and just MINI by name only.
The world does not need bean counters with silk scarfs as designers. We need real visionaries that can look at the past, design without limits and not the BMW techie parts bins.
Again I am glad I have the only MINI I will buy besides a nice used GP. "The Real Original GP"
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I thought the 4 door was added to the lineup to answer the question....
Will it "Baby".... -
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4 Door Hard Top, 4 Door Clubman, 4 Door Countryman...
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Yeah, what he said.
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