If all of MINIDave's criteria were met, I'd buy. Period.
For the record, the enthusiast community will NEVER get that lucky.
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The Copyright Office has granted an exemption to the DMCA (Digital Media Copyright Act) that allows vehicle owners to modify, diagnose, and repair their factory ECUs.
The Librarian of Congress this week ruled that for at least the next three years, vehicle owners are now free to delve into those control systems for any legal purposes such as diagnosis, repair or lawful modification of a vehicle function. Unfortunately, the librarian also made an exception to that ruling when it comes to infotainment and telematics systems.
“Accordingly, the recommended exemption excludes computer programs in ECUs that are chiefly designed to operate vehicle entertainment and telematics systems due to insufficient evidence demonstrating a need to access such ECUs, and out of concern that such circumvention might enable unauthorized access to creative or proprietary content.â€
So you can hack away at the Engine stuff. Just don't get caught trying to remove the disclaimer notice on your Nav system.-
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
I've been following the RMW story, and while I appreciate it for what it is - an all out racecar - mine would be more of a fun street project. And my budget would be WAY less than it would cost for wheels tires and brakes for that thing!
My idea for using a Honda motor is simply availability of aftermarket hop up stuff like turbos and tuning resources, plus availability of engines and cost of same.
Doing it with a Cooper S motor would be fun too
But I think I can do it as well or better with a Honda motor for way less money.
It's all just speculation at this point, one of many little projects I'd like to do in my little shop to keep me busy.-
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I might second that. For me a small fun car has to be at least a little bit practical as well, like my MINI, but I might make an exception if they come close to hitting all the marks on your list. It'll get a little heavier (at least for the US), will probably come in below 200hp and I bet they're unlikely to hit your price target. Still, :fingerscrossed:.
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
Yeah, instead they'll go all Alfa on us and try to get $75K for them, and they'll sell a few hundred, just like Alfa has.....instead of developing a loyal following like MINI did, where they can sell 100,000 a year and develop customers for life (or till they raise the price beyond all reason .............erm, like MINI did)
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Exactly. I think the front trunk would be pretty filled with gas tank, battery and such....I think it could be a fun, not too expensive project.
I just heard that a consortium of investors bought out the city's interests in the Heartland Park track and it will be open again next season!-
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And of course.....Because racekor, passenger doesn't rate...
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Instead of piping engines noise through the speakers.... This uses magnetic hysteresis to give the driver a special closeness to engine harmonics not offered by other companies...
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That is one very sexy car.
I don't want to shatter your dream Dave, but I don't see any way something this enticing would be priced at under $20K. I'm not saying that it could not be built under that price point, but I just don't think any manufacturer would miss the obvious profit potential to price it much higher.
Supercar looks and Cayman-levels of performance won't be priced like a Dodge Dart. Just sayin'.
Perhaps the closest thing to that concept car on the market today is the Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ twins and they start at about $26K. And the development costs for that car had to be shared by two major manufacturers. -
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Besides... Modding any of the newer engines will be illegal from an ECU code copyright infringement standpoint once the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act" laws kick in ... Government.... By the people... For the people... -
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I know it's just a pipedream, but you'd think some smart MBA type would recognize that they way to do it and survive is not to attempt to go "premium" right out of the box.
I think Mexico is missing a good bet here - they have the expertise since they've been building cars for everyone for decades now, they have free trade agreements, a monster market just north of them to sell to, low labor cost and plenty of workers, huge infrastructure already in place and I'll bet they could easily source a complete power train from any of the manufacturers they currently build for......
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Mexico, like our neighbors to the north (sorry Canada), doesn't actually make cars.
Oh sure, workers in Mexico assemble lots of car models that companies outside of Mexico design, develop, engineer, test, refine, and market.
But there is no Mexican automobile industry, per se. So all that assembly infrastructure you mention belongs to FCA, Ford, Nissan, GM etc.
Compare that to developing countries like India and China where they are actually making cars of their own design (yes, even China, copycat central, has developed its own unique cars).
A company like the industrial powerhouse of India's Tata Group might be able to bring such a car to market and do so cheaply. But I would say the opportunity for Mexico to develop its own auto industry have long since past and will never return. -
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More to the story......
Yamaha Sports Ride Concept First With Gordon Murray-Designed iStream Carbon
Isn't Gordon Murry championing easy to build affordable fun to drive cars right now, ie his Citycar?
As for Mexico, if Mastretta can do it......
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^^^ Man, that's tubular....
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Still Gordon Murray's iStream process has real potential.
After all, I scream, you scream, we all scream for iStream!
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Reads a lot like what happened in the Phoenix stories I've been reading here....
Still, if tiny Mastretta can do it with no funding to speak of, just think what a company headed by some real car people with backing from the gummint could do.......
I know the whole thing is wishful thinking........:nonod:
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