Alfa Planning Affordable Halo Based on X-Bow

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  1. Nathan

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    Reports in Automotive New Europe has the Alfa Romeo branch of FIAT developing a rear engine lightweight coupe for debut in the Geneva Auto Show.

    Known as the 4C GTA the coupe would retail in the range of $55K. Alfa plans to build 20,000 -25,000 units annually in one of FIAT's Italian factories. The 4C GTA was designed by Alfa's styling center in Turin and is said to be a rakish, very compact and extremely low two-seat coupe. Thanks to an innovative construction method, which combines carbon fiber and aluminum, the 4C GTA will be very lightweight. Alfa is targeting an 850kg (1,784 lbs) curb weight for the car.

    The 4C GTA would have an impressive power-to-weight ratio below 3.5kg/hp despite being powered by the 1.8-liter, four-cylinder gasoline direct-injection engine offered in the Giulietta with the horsepower boosted to more than 250 hp from 235 hp.

    Alfa Romeo teamed up with Italy's Dallara Automobili, which is one of the world's largest producer of racecars to create the 4C GTA. The car's structure is a development of the X-Bow, an extreme two-seat roadster launched in 2007 and engineered by Dallara for Austrian motorcycle maker KTM.

    Dallara developed a carbon fiber cockpit for the 4C GTA, which features front and rear aluminum sub-frames to house the engine, as well as carry the pushrod suspensions and to absorb deformation in crash tests.

    GTA is Alfa's acronym for Gran Turismo Alleggerita – Lightened Grand Touring in Italian – and was last used for the 147 GTA compact hatchback.
     
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    Here's one image that's circulating the interwebs:
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    Look closely at the lines in the hood: a great homage to the original GTA
     
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    So it's a motorcycle that proved itself brave, truthful, and unselfish, and grew up to be a real car? :D
     
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    Since when is $55K "affordable" for a small 4 cyl sedan?

    What the heck are those guys smoking? :eek6:
     
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    Kind of looks like every other non-MINI hatchback out there... Why is it so hard for car companies to be original??? :confused:
     
  6. Mike

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    I never thought that FIAT would be back in the US before Alfa Romeo. No, I don't count the sale of a few 8C Competizione coupes as a return to the US market.

    Oh, Alfa... {heavy sigh}
     
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    At less than 1800 pounds, I'm all ears!!! :)
     
  8. Nathan

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    Alfa Romeo says the production version of the 4C rear-wheel-drive coupe will be a sold around the world, including the United States.

    The halo car "will bring us back into markets such as the United States, where we are not present today," Alfa CEO Harald Wester said Tuesday, adding that the 4C will go into production in late 2012.

    The automaker plans to build 15,000 to 20,000 units of the 4C coupe over five years, two people familiar with the matter told Automotive News Europe. Another 5,000 to 10,000 units of a roadster version of the 4C will be built for Abarth, the sources said. Abarth is Fiat's sporty sub-brand that markets high-performance versions of the Fiat 500 minicar and Punto Evo subcompact.

    Fiat's struggling Alfa brand is set to price the production 4C at about 45,000 euros (about $62,000) in Europe, company sources say.

    Alfa enthusiasts have dreamed for almost two decades of the return of an affordable rear-drive model after the Duetto Spider was discontinued in 1994.

    Alfa's 8C Competizione, which was built from 2007-2008, was too expensive for most Alfa buyers. The spider version of the 8C cost up to 213,000 euros and the car's production run was limited to 1,000 units.The 157.5-inch-long, 200-hp mid-engine 4C concept took design cues from the legendary 33 Stradale, company sources say. Launched in 1967, the 33 Stradale was a rear-engine, rear-drive two-seat coupe powered by a 230-hp 2.0-liter V8 derived from Alfa's 33 race car. Alfa built just 18 units of the 33 Stradale.

    The 4C concept was styled by the Fiat Group subsidiary's design center in Turin. The car is rakish, very compact and extremely low to the ground.

    The 4C will go on sale at a crucial time for Alfa because by the final quarter of 2012 the company also plans to introduce the Giulia mid-sized sedan to replace the slow-selling 159 and launch the brand's first ever SUV, a sister model to the Jeep Compass/Patriot replacement.

    Fiat S.p.A. CEO Sergio Marchionne wants to lift Alfa sales to 500,000 units by 2014. Alfa's global sales last year increased a modest 10.2 percent to 112,000 units.

    Thanks to an innovative construction method, which combines carbon fiber and aluminum, the 4C will weigh less than 850kg (1,784 pounds).



    Source - Alfa 4C will be a global car, will come to U.S. - AutoWeek Magazine
     
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    Bring it! Maybe I can afford one someday.
     
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    9lbs/HP? WOW! And it looks like an Alfa to boot. :Thumbsup:
     
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    That looks like an Elise merged with a Cayman. Nice.
     
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    I do not know if this is the car, but the president of Dalara was interviewed I think by National Speed Sport News a month or two ago. Dalara builds the current and future Indy Car. They are the largest race car builder in the world. The Honda in ALMS is built by Dalara. They are building a facility in Indianapolis that will have a driving simulator they jointly developed with Ferrari. The same simulator in Italy is used by the Ferrari F-1 team. During the interview he said he was developing a follow on to the Lotus super seven. That he had the greatest admiration for Colin Chapman and he wanted to build a road car that would be a modern Lotus 7. They build the carbon fiber part of the X-bow for KTM, and they designed the whole car. The Alfa looks a lot more refined than a Lotus 7. He said the car would be a carbon tub with sub frames, and it would be rear engine.
     
  13. Nathan

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    Alfa delays U.S. return again as European debt crisis deepens

    FRANKFURT -- Alfa Romeo has delayed the U.S. introduction of several key models by at least another year and has cancelled plans to build a mid-sized SUV at Chrysler Group's factory in Toledo, Ohio.

    Alfa Romeo CEO Harald Wester, in a presentation to financial analysts here today in connection with the Frankfurt auto show, said Alfa Romeo was scaling back its global expansion plans.

    Wester's announcement marks the latest in a series of delays of the U.S. return of Alfa Romeo, the sporty brand of Fiat S.p.A. His remarks came one day after Fiat-Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne offered a gloomy assessment of Europe's debt crisis, saying the European common currency could come off the rails if political leaders don't resolve the lingering crisis soon.

    Marchionne said the debt crisis has forced Fiat and Chrysler to examine the timing of new-vehicle introductions.

    "We are reviewing volumes and the timing of new products to see when it is really necessary to launch them," Marchionne said.

    In its global plan, unveiled in April 2010, Alfa Romeo planned to return to the United States in late 2012. Under the revised schedule, the first car won't come to the United States until mid-2013, when the 4C, a low-volume coupe arrives. The MiTo, a five-door hatchback, is scheduled to follow in the second half of 2013.

    The Alfa Romeo brand is to be sold by a network of 130 Fiat dealerships, more than 100 of which are now open. The rest are to open by the end of this year.

    Dealers must wait

    Fiat dealers have pinned high hopes for Alfa, which would give them a range of larger, sporty vehicles to augment the Fiat 500 small car, the only model they currently are selling.

    Those dealers now will have to get by with their Fiat models a while longer. The Alfa Romeo Giulietta, a compact hatchback, was scheduled to arrive in 2013 but now has been moved back to 2014. The crucial Giulia, a mid-sized sedan and wagon that were to have kicked off Alfa's return next year, will not arrive until 2014, under the current plan.

    In the past 18 months Marchionne has rejected three rounds of styling proposals for the Giulia sedan and wagon, pushing its launch back.

    At the end of July, Alfa had already postponed the two Giulia models until 2013.

    Alfa also canceled plans for a mid-sized SUV, originally due in 2014. The vehicle was to have been built in Toledo on a shared platform with the Jeep Liberty. The new plan now calls for a large rear-drive sedan -- derived from the next generation of the Maserati Quattroporte -- to appear beyond 2014.

    Subcompact first

    In the revised plan, the five-door MiTo subcompact is the only Alfa model to keep the original timing for a 2013 launch.

    The new delays led Alfa to trim its global 2014 target of 500,000 unit sales to just 400,000 units.

    Alfa had been planning its return to the United States since it signed a strategic alliance with General Motors in March 2000. So the brand's return had been delayed for a decade -- so far. Alfa left the United States in 1995.

    According to Wester's presentation, Alfa plans on selling about 155,000 units worldwide this year, compared with 115,000 it sold in both 2009 and 2010.

    Source - http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110914/OEM04/110919898/1491#ixzz1Xxitq45Q
     
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    Survival mode?
     
  15. Nathan

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    Those dealers that spent the bucks to remodel for Fiat with the plan that there would be Alfa's and Lancia's soon after so they would have something more to sell are sure taking a flyer now. The 500 is not selling as expected leaving these dealers with expensive showrooms that are not busy. Unlike MINI they went with a much bigger dealer base to start too.
     
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    #16 minimark, Sep 14, 2011
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    Not to mention that Mini started out selling in corners at select BMW Dealerships. Dealerships that were and would continue to make money even if they hadn't sold one single Mini Cooper....

    ...and make no mistake about it, the Mini Coopers relationship to BMW early on, was a big part of it's marketing success.

    Aren't we all proud and quick to tell someone that: "it's made by BMW"?
     
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    Latest Alfa Romeo delay spooks Fiat dealers

    Source - Latest Alfa Romeo delay spooks Fiat dealers - Autoweek
     
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    #18 Metalman, Sep 19, 2011
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    Gaaaad..... It's almost like Fiat can't decide if they want to sell cars in the US or not. Get with it people......
     
  19. minimark

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    Think they are suffering from performance anxiety.....
     
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    More delays hobble Alfa's U.S. return

    More trouble in paradise, Automotive News is reporting that Alfa's return to the US market will be delayed again. There is even mention of VW buying the Alfa brand too...

     

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