Thing is though, that shouldnt be necessary at all. I am sincerely lost as to why your suspension is so far off whack.
Photos maybe ? of the bolt holes, and then also the essentric bolts in the control arms ?
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What Chuck said....
My toe changed quite a bit with the IE fixed camber plates. Too much toe will really wear down the tire tread fast, more so than the camber being off. Get the tow fixed and I wouldn't worry about a 2 hour drive to an alignment shop that knows MINI's.
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Keep in mind that MINI has a pretty wide range of "in spec" on alignments...
Front can be anywhere between -.5 to -1.0 and of course not match right to left..
If you know what specs you want it set at "most" any good alignment guy can do it.. They may charge alittle more for doing a "custom" alignment though.. I go where minimark suggested here locally to a Mock Tire Store and their guy is great..Will even let you set in the car while he is doing it so the specs are with your weight in it.. and less then $75 each time I've had it done.. At that price I don't mind playing around with my specs from time to time..-
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andyroo New MemberMotoring Alliance Sponsor
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"In spec" sucks. :lol:
You could just tell the shop to zero your toe and not worry about camber (since it's where it should be with the IE plates).
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KC Jr 54 New Member
The subframe is attached with slotted holes. So loosen those, and pry the subframe, IMO thats where the issue is. On my first gen, it moved very easily w/ a strategically placed pry bar.
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Yes, I went and looked at the diagrams on Real Oem, I see what you mean.
However, won't moving the subframe cause one side to be toed in and the other toed out?
I don't have that situation, both sides are toed in....
Also, we tried that while it was on the rack, it went from .37 to .34., but both sides were at the limits of their adjustment holes, so it really didn't matter where the subframe was moved.
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Are they adjusting the forward most mount of the trailing arm to tune the toe ?
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BThayer23 Well-Known Member
Unless something's bent, there should be plenty of room to adjust the rear toe. I'd have to question the alignment shop on this one. Is this shop familiar with BMWs? They're set up the same way.
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They seemed to know what they were doing....they showed me the right bolt and they could tell it was at the end of the adjustment hole.
I'm going to look at it myself tomorrow when the bride's car is out of the garage, so I can get it up in the air..... -
KC Jr 54 New Member
Ok, yeah they werent adjusting the right part of the car.
To adjust toe in the rear, you need to loosen the THREE bolts (per side) that hold on the front trailing arm bushing. That bushing has slotted holes, and is the correct way to do the alignment.
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Yes, I know. They showed me that the bracket was all the way over in the slots....
I'm wondering if it could be the subframe after all, but like I said, if it is then theoretically it should be toed out on the other side. I'm going to play with it tomorrow, then if I find anything significant, I run it back to them and let them finish the job on the machine. -
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:cornut: A technical thread that I completely understand,GREAT! Man when y'all start talkin that computer talk,I'm lost.:lol:
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I wonder if removing that part & slotting the bolt holes a bit more would do it.
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
Yep, I was thinking along the same lines....
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KC Jr 54 New Member
Did you ever resolve this issue ? Could be good to know for future reference what was the cause.
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
Update: I had a coupon show up from my local dealer for a half price alignment, so off I went....
Their most senior tech did it and said it was in spec! He guessed that the guys at the other shop just didn't have the machine on the wheels right or set up wrong or something. He tweaked it a bit for good measure but said overall I was in spec. As to the tire feathering, the only suggestion he had was to rotate them more often.....which I normally do every oil change (7,500 mile intervals or twice a year) and failed to do this last time as the interim oil change was done under the maint program at the dealer.
Now here's the fun part.......
I had a track day on Aprl 20th at Heartland Park road course, and after screaming around the track all day my tires are quiet as when new! I guess I scrubbed off the uneveness going around those corners! I have another track day today, one on June1st, which will be just about time for another oil change and rotation, and another in early July. I may go ahead and buy new tires just before we head to MITM, these will only have 20K on them by then, but they'll be well worn if I do the scheduled three more track days by the end of July. Not sure what to get to replace them at this point tho....
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If you had serious feathering problems, you had a toe issue. It might have been corrected later but my guess is your initial alignment was not so good. I always question when a tech says "in spec." I need to see a printout.
I am not very diligent about rotating my tires and I do not remember the last time I had feathering on my tires (for my previous 2 cars). I almost always run 0 toe front and rear though. And I generally do run a decent amount of camber.
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What is the purpose of toe? Or maybe I should ask... what is the result of toe or 0 toe. don't mean to hijack.
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