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  1. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

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    My tuner as you refer, does not spec or use 550s for all applications... He uses the size injector that works best for the power output. Maybe you should call and ask. But everyone has a right to their opinion and in this case, my opinion is that you are wrong.... Which I have a right to have.

    Carry on.

    PS: Actually I'm getting a set of his 440s very soon because they will fit my upcoming output. So I will be having a set of JCW 380s for sale very soon.
     
  2. jason@MynesTuned

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    Too large for the MINI R53 on pump gas as I've tested is 950cc. But it all depends on the injector type and it's lag time as well. The OE Bosch 550cc that we use, actually can run at lower pulse width than the stock injector and the injector latency is faster than the stock R53 injector. We are running 750cc on our turbo R53 with -1.17 % long term trim and getting 23 mpg on a 490whp R53. On the green mini 550cc with -0.81% long term trim and recently passed emissions with flying colors.

    There is more to it in the software than just finding the injector scaling address, you have about 5 other values and tables to adjust and if that person can't adjust these.... anything over 450cc would be too big.
     
  3. mike@MynesTuned

    mike@MynesTuned New Member

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    If you take off your blinders and read the facts that are presented in my previous posts, you will see that the "440s" you are referring to are in fact bigger than the OE 550s that we use. Do you know if you are getting his "1st Gen" or the "2nd Gen" 440s?

    We have been accused of being in the 'wrong' for the last two years. But the fact that the competition has started selling the same 550s proves that we are very RIGHT :D
     
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    minimark Well-Known Member

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    LOL no blinders here, see results very clearly... ;)
     
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    mike@MynesTuned New Member

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    The results clearly shows those "440 SRT Injectors" (2nd-Gen) are rated 500cc at 3 bar; "unknown" at 3.5 bar (Standard R53 Fuel Pressure), and 582cc at 4 bar fuel pressure.

    Here is a better chart... maybe your beer goggle is still on? :beer

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  6. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

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    ^^
     
  7. mike@MynesTuned

    mike@MynesTuned New Member

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    Here are some specifications on the EV14 Injector design as well as spray pattern. The part # to the 550s are 0280158117 and it's not listed on these Bosch Spec sheets (probably due to the fact that they were OEM mfg for Ford Racing)... In any event, for your reference ONLY:
    0280158117_Bosch_broschure_01.jpg 0280158117_Bosch_broschure_02.jpg 0280158117_Bosch_broschure_03.jpg 0280158117_Bosch_broschure_04.jpg
     
  8. mike@MynesTuned

    mike@MynesTuned New Member

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    Can somebody say 800cc?

    There is a good chance that we might have to go BIGGER than the 550cc Bosch injectors in order to safely produce 250whp or more.

    Some more testing data for the 550cc:

    "Ducky" was once again put thru the gauntlet yesterday and we discovered some useful data by examining the logs using the FA53 Tuning Kit.

    Mods for Ducky: 2006 MCS with MegaMini Camshaft, 550cc, Mynes V2 header + Nvidia exhaust, GP IC and 15% pulley, NGK Iridium 7EIX. Everything else is STOCK.

    On California 91 Octane Shell Premium: Power was 206whp / 178wtqe (AFR at 11.6 ~ 12.0, injector duty cycle at 72%).

    On California E85 fuel (from Chevron station in Fontana): Power was 227whp / 188.8wtqe (AFR at 11.5 ~ 11.8; injector duty cycle at 88%)***

    ducky_E85 (1).jpg

    ***NOTE on E85:
    1. We can probably lean it out some more b/c E85 has a 100+ octane rating; so we can be in the mid-12 AFR and still be safe. But since this is going to be the E85 BASE TUNE MAP for our customers, we want to keep it safe so they can fine-tune it to their spec.

    2. If we lean this out more, we can probably bring the duty-cycle down to the low 80% range.

    3. E85 blends vary from region to region and from season to season; so be sure to monitor your AFR while you are doing these power pulls.

    Keep in mine, our test car is on the STAGE I Form. If we decide to go with a Stage II head along with the SC Upgrade, then that will likely push us near the 280whp range. At that point, these 550s will surely be maxxed out :(

    Can someone say Bosch 800cc? :crazy:
     
  9. mike@MynesTuned

    mike@MynesTuned New Member

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    SCAN0093.jpg RMW 440s => flows 800cc

    Someone in the UK had these 2nd-Gen Siemens "440s" flow-tested... see results below (he obtained these from a "trusted source" with the part numbers scratched off):

    Please do your research guys... there are a lot of people making a lot of claims, but know those who are actually posting testing data in support of their products.
     
  10. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

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    What has been left out here is that these injectors were from a crap can car with those injectors already installed. Dirty injectors that didn't even have the correct o rings on them, actually having a mixed bag of o rings, clear evidence that they had been mucked around with and a type of injector that has been sold by several vendors at one time or another... The chart above does not reflect the correct flow chart for the Seimens 450 injector sold by RMW; Seimens also being the manufacturer of the OEM Mini Cooper injectors..
     
  11. mike@MynesTuned

    mike@MynesTuned New Member

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    This is the direct quote from the author of the thread seeking answers to his injectors and not to place blame. All he's asking for are answers and some data from his vendor, but thus far, none has been provided:

    "what im now confused with is why are they sold as 440cc? when they are 800cc static and 244 under load."
     
  12. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

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    You make it sound like his vendor was RMW, which in fact by is own words it was not. The original source of those, at least second hand injectors has never been established.

    One fact that was established is that RMW had in no way any envolvement with his car period. RMW neither sold anything to the owner, RMW never advised the owner and RMW never had anything to do with the tune on the car. I believe that you would be well aware of who tuned the car before it burnt a piston

    Fact: RMW/Jan had absolutely nothing to do with the car in question.

    If he wants answers to what actually happened to his car I would suggest that he direct his questions to the person who sold him the car in the first place and to those that actually had worked on and had been envolved with his car leading up to his problems.... Not a vendor that had nothing to do with it.

    PS: I would also suggest that you sell your products (you have every right to) on their own merits and not whilst attempting to stand on another vendor in the process.. 2 cents
     
  13. Nathan

    Nathan Founder

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    I would recommend that anyone interested read the entire thread before making any judgement. The thread is in MINITorque and can be found at update for my RMW 450cc injectors

    Please note that MINITorque does allow for off color language, you have been warned.
     
  14. jason@MynesTuned

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    You are missing the whole point here. It's not about Jan or RMW, it's about the injectors that are used of his liking which are not 440cc or 450cc no matter where the injector comes from. Doesn't matter if customer "A" buy the injector from vendor "B" and customer "B" buy from vendor "A" the bottom line is, that injector part #, or even scratched off or not. They are the same from vendor "A" and "B" which are advertise as 440cc or 450cc which have been flow tested showing 800cc.

    You are correct, vendor "A" has nothing to do with customer "B" who bought these injectors from vendor "B" Bottom line is, vendor "A" and "B" are selling a product that are false.
     
  15. mike@MynesTuned

    mike@MynesTuned New Member

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    We have no problem selling own products on its own merits. In fact, we have been selling the Bosch OE 550s since March 2009 (at AMVIV 6) with dyno graphs and test data to show it's application and performance. Critics were crying foul and that the injectors were too BIG for the R53. Guess what, since we don't "remove or SCRATCHED off" the mfg part number on those Bosch OE 550s, anybody can verify the part number and source it on their own.

    After two years of criticizing Mynes for pushing these overly BIG Injectors, guess who is selling it on his website?

    You can buy from RMW for $325.00; or pay $300 and get a set from Mynes (or $250 per set if you buy it with the Bytetonik FA53 Tuning Kit).

    This is a screen shot of the actual website (taken today):
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  16. Nathan

    Nathan Founder

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    This is not fair. Jan doesn't have a chance to respond to this. I'd much prefer that all vendors sell on their own merits and not point fingers at others. It makes you all look bad when you do so.
     
  17. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

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    The fact is that how and when and what condition those injectors were in and the results from their test do not match the specs of the 450 Seimens injectors that Jan sells...

    Again what actually happened to the car in question is not being talked about...

    Why wasn't the performance of those injectors not noted when the car was tuned, much less the many other problems it had, noted and dealt with??
     
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    minimark Well-Known Member

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    Exactly and thank you!
     
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    mike@MynesTuned New Member

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    Nathan, didn't you get your 440s from Jan directly and the part numbers were 'scratched off' also?

    You can give Jan another 6 months and i don't think he will go in there and respond. But if someone had posted something bad about Mynes, he and his bois will be there in a millisecond.

    If you look at the part numbers i've listed for those 440s, they are in fact NOT 440s... so i'm not bashing on anybody... just making buyers aware that there are some injectors out there being FALSELY Advertised!!! Buyers beware!!!
     
  20. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

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    BS

    If they flowed 800, why would we need your all encompassing 550s? Lol