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  1. Thumper460

    Thumper460 Active Member

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    #36 Thumper460, Jan 16, 2011
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    On and On..... If this was about Jan in the beginning, he nor his Place have not responded anywhere on the issues.. not here on MA or overseas where a similar question was poised. ( since over a month ago)

    I think all the facts have been presented.. with a lot of literature and testimonies.. SOOOoo... now it seems to be a 'he said .. he said' thingy, yes??
    Customers are now aware, of course they will decide accordingly from the thread...

    NEXT????



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  2. mike@MynesTuned

    mike@MynesTuned New Member

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    Yeah, great question, Minimark!!! Ask your tuner: "Why would we [RMW and crew] need ... [the] all encompassing [Bosch OE]550s"? :popcorn:

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  3. jason@MynesTuned

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    Listen man, we get bash all the time for no reason on all forums. Sometimes we don't say a word back. Look at MiniTorque, man they were having a field day over there. Mynes name was in every other word from this vendor. I could google mynes and it would have directed me to that thread over on Minitorque first even before our own Mynes forum. So enough was enough and we posted some facts and no allegations and now that forum thread is quite. If we didn't say anything at all, it would have kept going on and on. And minimark you speak more for RMW than Jan himself, but try to get out of it when the heat comes on and act like we started it over there on Minitorque. Anyone can plainly see the thread is over 30 pages with me or Mike... not even a single post in it until towards the end when we actually came in to speak up and then you guys point the finger we are making another vendor look bad, but it was okay from the other vendor to make us look bad in the first 30 pages. Getting really sick of it. It would be nice for you and RMW to stay out of our posts, and I am sure you have never seen a post from us in RMW section or posts talking about his product. I agree with Nathan to sell under your own merits. I am sorry I am not going let anyone slander my business under false allegations from him or customers who never did business with us at all. I am a man first, then I am a business owner (vendor).
     
  4. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

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    BS

    Leave references to Jan/RMW and their products and services, including all the successes on and off the track IE: NASA National Championship, Podium finishes and track records, etc out of your threads and as always you will not hear a peep from me on your threads.....
     
  5. Nathan

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    Yes, the 440's I had from Jan did have the part number removed. Then again I know that they came to him that way from his source at the time. Everyone was trying to protect themselves from others learning their sources. I can understand that. I didn't feel that Jan was trying to pull the wool over my eyes or I would not have dealt with him. I know that ya'll had some issues when trying to scale them properly when working on my car so I made the swap at the time.

    Now if we want to get fully into all this I question if the issues were the injectors or if the engine issues that were found soon after were the real issue. I've never been 100% sure about this so never wanted to really post about since there was nothing definitive.

    I'm having issues again, what the cause is I am not sure of yet. Between launching a new site, dealing with family issues and some other big changes about to happen I've not had the time to diagnose. But when the engine is cold or when driving at a steady throttle at 4K rpm or less there is a stumble. Now and then there is a misfire in cylinder 2 code. The exhaust smells of unburnt fuel and I can smell fuel in the oil. I plan on dealing with this at the next MM.org DIY Day on Jan 29.

    So all is not rosy here from any of the tunes I've had. Is it the tune or some other factor. I'm not sure at this point but I wanted to wait and see whats going on before writing about it all. Ya'll have forced my hand here as now I want to show that no matter who one uses there can be issues.
     
  6. jason@MynesTuned

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    #41 jason@MynesTuned, Jan 16, 2011
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  7. mike@MynesTuned

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    #42 mike@MynesTuned, Jan 16, 2011
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  8. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

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    Don't know how you posted your words as a quote from me???

    Could a moderated please correct this post, the quote is not my words?
     
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    #44 jiminni, Jan 16, 2011
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    Nathan...... That whole thing on MT was about Jan not responding to anything, nothing, nada. And if I am not mistaken the vendor that Jan got the "removed part number" injectors from denied selling them like that. Also, why can Jan not respond here?
     
  10. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

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    Yep he sure does sell and recommend them when the power range that is going to be achieved requires them, the same method used by all automobile manufactures from Kia to Ferrari when specing injector size. IE: He does not recommend the 550s at my power level nor does he recommend them for just a head/header/Cam combo..
     
  11. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

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    Again you have been informed incorrectly , the injector source did removed the numbers, not Jan.

    Why would Jan have any reason or feel compelled to answer questions about problems with a car that he had absolutely nothing to do with, a car that in fact had been tuned by another vendor? None, zero, nada.
     
  12. Nathan

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    Here is the deal...I have a lot of family in town for the weekend and another event to attend.

    I'm going to go out and live that part of my life today. This thread is closed till Monday at least till I have the time to sort it all out. Oh...and don't drag it elsewhere please. Just relax and we'll deal with it later.

    Thanks for understanding
     
  13. mike@MynesTuned

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    Was getting on the freeway today so i logged the 06 MCS running E85, here are the results (car is only putting down 227whp on a dynojet with Bosch OE 550s and MegaMINI cam running E85 fuel).

    Note the "1st shaded yellow area", at one point, these 550s are maxxed out in 2nd gear at 7125rpm, duty-cycle was at 100%.

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    Note the "2nd shaded green area", the injector duty was at 83% in 3rd gear at 6500rpm.

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    So yeah, the 550s may sound like they are big injectors, the above data clearly indicate that they are getting maxxed out. So if we were to make more than 230whp on a Dynojet, then we will indeed go even BIGGER than the 550s on the injectors.
     
  14. mike@MynesTuned

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    Injector spray patterns (Stock, 380cc, Bosch OE 550cc, RMW 440cc)

    This video was taken by 1320MINI in the UK, documenting the spray pattern of the various MINI R53 Fuel Injectors. The injectors are lined up as such (in order from LEFT to RIGHT):

    1) Stock S injector;
    2) JCW 380 injector;
    3) Bosch OE 550 injector sold by Mynes & 1320MINI;
    4) RMW '440s' - 2nd generation SRT ones

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTwAWSyJRfM]YouTube - 330_380_550_440.MTS[/ame]
     
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    #50 mike@MynesTuned, Jan 25, 2011
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    440s and a variety of eBay 550s being tested...

    Edited by Nathan - Contains NSFW Language

    This 2nd video shows the following injectors (from LEFT to Right):
    1) RMW 440s (2nd Gen SRT ones)
    2) Hubie 550s (drilled out) = these had been decommissioned in 2009 and replaced by the Bosch OE 550s.
    3) Five-O eBay "drilled out" 550s
    4) Five-O eBay 380s

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUsBu5wRkHs]YouTube - The ones not to use 440_550MM_five-0.MTS[/ame]
     
  16. Nitrominis

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    Pictures tell a factual story! :Thumbsup:
    Nice posting Mike.
     
  17. mike@MynesTuned

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    #52 mike@MynesTuned, Jan 25, 2011
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    OE Bosch 550s on UK Pump gas, 1320MINI Tune using FA53

    Ok, found a recent log from Thomas :D Awesome tune, btw :Thumbsup:

    Car made 213whp on the Mustang Dyno (1320Tuned using FA53, Bosch OE 550, Newman Cam and 15% pulley).

    Note:
    1. Knock Retard (in yellow) are "0"s across the board.
    2. Ignition timing per cylinder (purple) are dead even on all 4's
    3. Injector duty cycle at 75% (in red) with a boost pressure of 15.8 at 7,000 RPM.

    UK_Pump_Gas_550s.gif

    Will post more logs up as i find them... just need more time in the day :arf:
     
  18. mike@MynesTuned

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    #53 mike@MynesTuned, Jan 30, 2011
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    DataLog from a 2006 BONE Stock S Auto.

    We had a 2006 MCS-Auto convertible on the dyno yesterday, 100% FACTORY STOCK... It put down 133whp on a DynoJet. With some minor touches, got it to 141whp. Didn't want to push it too much b/c the injectors were already at 88% duty cycle at 6473 RPM at 10.8psi... See the 'red column'...

    So for people running with 15% or smaller pulleys, your boost level is probably at around 14 Lbs and your injectors are way maxxed out :(
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  19. mike@MynesTuned

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    JCW Injectors with V1 header, 15% pulley + Schrick cam

    Here is another example of Injector Duty Cycle (IDC): 2005 MCS with 380JCW injectors (V1 header with 15% pulley and Schrick cam) - IDC at 111% at 7200rpm.

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  20. Doggybags

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    So Mike, are you saying the oem 330 injectors are almost at their limit at 100% stock?
    The results from post #53 suggest that at oem stock limiter (6,800 rpms) the injectors would be closed to maxed out.

    It seems to me that with the amount of people running at least a 15% pulley without injectors and otherwise stock configuration we would have seen by now several catastrophic results, considering we are going on 9 years with the R53. This is actually magnified with the amount of people with pulleys plus tunes on their car and still no injectors.

    I'm just surprised that we haven't heard of more (any?) catastrophic failures from oem/jcw injectors considering the data your are revealing here. Any comments on why this could be?