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I remember in the late '60's or early '70's it was PURE stations that came up with what was called back then "White Gas" read No Leaded gas and there was like only 1 or 2 stations in Orlando that sold it and it didn't go over well as you could buy Sunoco 260 which was the highest octane gas back then and I believe it was 106 octane and cost a whopping .50c a gal!

 

I have a real hard time finding 0% Ethanol gasoline now.:mad2:

 

The only 0% Ethanol near me is CITGO which is not a high tier brand, but if this happens I may have to try it.

Jim

 

The sad thing happening is E10 might become the de-facto standard and gas companies will no longer have to tell you there's 10% ethanol in the fuel.

That's about the same thing that happened when unleaded gasoline came in. over time regular gasoline was unleaded. Those driving 15 year or older cars had to either do some mechanical work on their engines or use lead additives. I notice that in some gas station in various states already. Even here in BC, the 10% ethanol label is in fine print at some stations and you really have to hunt for it to see it.

For now, I believe the law is for E15 to be a separate pump and for 2007 or newer cars. Mostly for American cars, which are "E85 compatible". This is how they got their higher EPA rating than real world gas mileage.

 

Very interesting....
I checked in with your Pure-gas.org. Nothing listed for Columbus, Ohio. Ran copies of the print-out for each state so I can make my gas stops on my trip to the Dragon next week.

I normally buy Shell V-Power, but it's generally very difficult to find any kind of notice about being E-free at the pumps. Asking the kid plugged into the I-pod, behind the bulletproof cashiers station generally results in a blank stare, so I'm never really sure.:incazzato:

 

I use V-Power 93 and all the stations around here a E10, sadly. Where did you see it was E-Free??

Jim

 

Chuck, 129 runs on from Deals Gap, for a few miles to Robbinsville. Just before you get to town is a Chevron Station.

Jim

 

Yup.....
Thanks!
Saw that on my printout I'm taking with me.

 

Thanks. I will do just that.

Jim

 

I emailed Petro-Canada a while ago, their 91 is for sure E-free in Ontario

 

In the US

gas composition varies at least by state, and maybe even by region within a state. Be very carefull with blanket statements that Brand Y is ethanol free. It may be where you live, but probably isn't everywhere.

Matt

 

That can change market to market. The Shell VPower does have 10% here in most stations I stop at

 

It varies from state to state. Here, it is required by state law that the ethanol content be prominently displayed on the pump. The only place I know of locally that carries non-E gas is a card lock place in town, and it isn't premium gas. Everywhere else it's 10% ethanol.

I have a bunch of old English cars, from before unleaded gas was required. I have had no problems running unleaded gas in them. The warnings about valve seat recession, when using unleaded gas, turned out to be unfounded.

Dave

 

There's a link on the pure-gas.org site with more details on which states require labeling, etc.

Ethanol Labeling Laws - State by State Guide.

 

One thing that will limit the speed of the roll-out of e-15 (Thank GOD) is that 99% of the current fuel pumps in use are only UL approved up to 15% ethanol....and pumping 15% with a 15% approved device is not considered safe for by most owners....if a blending error or settling occurs, damage to the pump, the hoses, leakage, or even an explosion could happen.....
This is one reason why it has been stated that it may be separate pumps/tanks that many stations will use to sell E-15. As newer pumps are sold, I'm sure they will be compatible, but for a few years, widespread E-15 is unlikely!!

 

I say lets buy a gas station, and sell pure gas only !

We may have to charge alittle more but its Pure Gas ! ! !

 

Sooooo.......
On the way down to MSSD from Columbus, full tank of gas (some mixture of 93 octane with 10% Ethanol and with 0% Ethanol). Got 34.7 MPG.

Return trip from MSSD back to Columbus (93 octane. 0% ethanol). Got 37.2 MPG.

Both trips similar air temps.

Note: MPG Calculated by "optimistic" MINI on board ECU.