1st Gen R53 Cooper S Cam Timing

OK..OK.. you are right!! Point made.. there is NO power gains.. dont buy an adjustable cam gear.. Listen to the guy you like and trust!!

Forget the basic engine physics of the millions of people that have done this since the 60's... and had power gains. Dont read up on Camshaft dynamics, or changing the cam phase.. forget the ICL and LSA for the boosted or N/A engines. How they work and why... stay where you are , happy as a clam!!

WITHOUT Knowing the spec on your camshaft.. you can do NOTHING anyway!! And I am sure from your sig, you have the best that can be done!!

I agree with you.. dont try it!! dont spend the money trying to improve the power of your MINI. and for sure.. dont buy MY stuff. Heck you would be crazy to spend $250.00 for a degreed cam gear with out knowing the cam spec you have... you probably would have to set up all the mic's and degree the camshaft, verify your rocker ratios, and then do the math. NO NEED.. you already have the best thing going for the MINI's!!

SOOoo... anyone else want to pick up power on a Known Cam spec.. OEM camshaft and most all other cams ( save the cam that MINIMARK is running)
This could be the future. ( Cat/Piper/Kent/Schrick/OEM/CB/NS or Camshaft that provide a spec sheet)

Just me...........................................

Thumper

Cam Basics here is a site with basic cam info. The rest is up to you!! Tpr!

 

Great idea.. that is called a "custom Grind" or "custom Cam", give them a call!! but why waste your time?? You have the best there is already. Are you asking just for the masses, that have camshafts that is not the "best already" ?? Good man.. I am sure they will be waiting for your answers from the cam grinder that you run in your car!!

Keep us posted..

Just me...............................

Thumper

 

4-5 hp max............but with the cost of the cam gear, the installation and the dyno time spent doing it............NOT WORTH IT unless you are racing

that money would be better spent on a cylinder head that will give 30-40hp

 

I am going to start using the phrase "I tested" it works for some that really could't get something to work for them!? LOL

The adjustable cam gear works in the hands of the knowledgeable wrench Technician. Anything posted otherwise means less.

 

so you are going to show your results ?

regardless, they will provide small amounts of power, which is fine for racing but anyone telling you they can set a cam gear for every car with a cam card is someone I would personally run from.....just me and my .02

 

LOL new design of an old tech!! Instead of changing the cam phase by hand. ( adjustED cam gear by Thumper Performance), the computer does it for you under different needs of the engine, and driving conditions.. !!



"VANOS (abbr. from German variable Nockenwellensteuerung) is an automobile variable valve timing technology developed by BMW in close collaboration with Continental Teves. VANOS varies the timing of the valves by moving the position of the camshafts in relation to the drive gear. This movement varies from 6 degrees of advanced to 6 degrees of retarded camshaft timing."

Thanks for showing the people the need to change cam phase.. we just dont have that feature on the r50-r53's right?? It does work great on the wifes 328i !! Again, without knowing the spec on the camshaft installed there is NO way to know where to set the camshaft.

Just me..............................

Thumper

NOTE: If you have an adjustable cam gear in your car NOW, and it wasnt degreed, we will do that for $49.95! Email me at Thumper460@hotmail.com for more info on the AdjustED cam Gear we offer. Or see... http://www.motoringalliance.com/forums/sponsor-messages/11344-adjustable-camshaft-gears-r50-r53s.html TPR

 

Oh Oh Pick me ...Pick me ....I know this one.:crazy:

VANOS is a great Pizza & Italian Restaurant in West Chester PA. :frown2:
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Oh I also did not get a CAM card when I purchased my Mini when it was new, should I not trust them either? If you had the CAM card from a NEWMAN / RMW cam you could just copy that and sell it as your own new working design.

Really? I can Google and find wikipedia too....

BMW VANOS:

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VANOS]VANOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

VANOS (abbr. from German variable Nockenwellensteuerung) is an automobile variable valve timing technology developed by BMW in close collaboration with Continental Teves. VANOS varies the timing of the valves by moving the position of the camshafts in relation to the drive gear. This movement varies from 6 degrees of advanced to 6 degrees of retarded camshaft timing.

 

WTF ?????

Anyone have a muzzle for ....well you can guess

 

I am so sorry that you are so WRONG with your understanding of the VANOS!! System!! Read it.. the camshaft is ADVANCED when add'l power is needed, the back to 'normal run position when driving, the retarded for cruising and on no load on the engine! This is what allows the cars to scream on hard accel ( my does 14.7 in the qtr.. shhhhh.. dont let the wife know!! LOL), and yet still get 30+ MPG. on the highway! ( basic explanation for this thread)

IF the cam is controlled by the computer.. NOPE, a mechanical cam adjust can not move after setting the position.. dont you know that, didnt I just say that the gear doesnt move?? Doesn't the r56 have the Variable cam timing?? HMMmmm... dont really know on the r56's as I am into the screaming SC of the r53's.

I dont think you need to have yours adjusted as you already have the BEST MINI camshaft out there!! And with NO CAM CARD with the actual specs.. who knows where the centerlines actually are?? Cam chain stretched?? Cam Chain tensionar a bit weak and allowing the camshaft to retard?? by the way, all that can be changed back to normal position after you find the specs and do a degree on the camshaft, with the Thumper Performance AdjustED cam gear!! Or with anyone's cam gear after you degree the camshaft and find the numbers of actual vs the cam spec..( oh You dont have that..).
Just to change up.. what is the lift on your camshaft?? at The Valve?? Are you sure?? what is the actual rocker ratio of your car, so you can gage the piston to valve and spring coil bind??

WAIT.. I forgot, you have the best there is now!! Dont worry, it has been installed and you are extreemly happy!! Great, yes!!
For you?? I would not spend any money to see if there is more power.. heck NO!! Be happy with what you have!!

Thanks

Thumper

 

This is going no place like usual...

Mark, haven't you realized in the years that you and the rest of the RMW crowd have been chasing Thumper over various sites he is NOT going to answer the questions you ask.

Thumper, haven't you yet realized that Mark and the rest of the RMW crew are going to keep prodding you.

Why do you both get caught in this trap?

Make it stop on this site. Go fight someplace else.

I think I speaks for a lot of the M/A Membership that we are all sick of this carp.

The fish is dead, its rotten and it stinks.

 

MINIMARK.. I am not here to teach the engine basics to anyone.. you can do that thru the net or with a good performance Mech.

As for Newman Cams.. yes!! I do have a Newman here. However who knows what you have?? No sheet.. No idea!! And yes, I have run a good number of tests on the Newman camshaft!! ( as well as many other grinds) And NO!! I will not suggest any cam phase change for you, or anyone with the NEWMAN/RMW , unless they can supply the spec, or the camshaft for me to degree!! Maybe you need to hit up the shop that sold it to you and see what they say?? Yes?? No??

Then again.. that camshaft is perfect to you.. so why bother???

The dyno shows good power thru the entire rpm range.. cool Huh?? You should see what the OEM cam does.. or the Schrick. OH... but then again those specs are available to degree and compare, and then degree and dyno..

Just me...........................

Thumper

PS: actually the dyno from Germany shows the OEM cam power change thru the entire RPM range. But that is just GERMANY... the freaking mfg of the BMW!! LOL

 

OOPS.. Nate I missed this... and I agree 100%. I do feel however that it has helped a few people.. I will stop here, as YES it is getting into just the usual back and forth ... LOL and thank you for allowing me to make my point on degreeing the camshaft ..

Happy New Year all..

Thumper

 

THREAD JACK........THREAD JACK

:cornut08 R56 MCS/JCW 6spd manual) As long as we're talking cams and such..................The other day on the way home from work; 5 blocks @ 30mph, cold start and cold day, the engine threw a P0012 engine code.(Margi has already had her timing chain tensioner oiler replaced once) The 2 possibilities are:

1.'A' camshaft position timing over retarded (bank 1)
OR
2.VANOS Intake: closed loop control fault, camshaft sticks

Now since Margi doesn't have VANOS(right?), it must be #1, right? The bad and good news is that she was 1 1/2 qts low on oil (procrastinating jerk that I am). I filled her up and it hasn't happened again. The question is:

1. Can just low oil(1 1/2qts) with a cold start on a cold day do this?
OR
2. Is her timing chain tensioner oiler going out again? It hasn't happened since and I've never before(and won't ever in the future)let the oil level get that low.

Now back to our amazing 'Knock Down Drag Out':lol:

Jason

 

Yikes... YES low oil will allow the pressure to drop and fluctuate, and the hydraulic cam tens can move around, letting the cams to move around.. GOOD to raise the Bonnet every once in a while and check the fluids..yes??

Have fun with your ride.

Just me...........................

Thumper