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  1. ScottinBend

    ScottinBend Space Cowboy
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    .....and now the thread is back again after gray raven's latest attempt at locking the thread and all of his and motor ons posts have been deleted.....LOL

    What a soap opera....
     
  2. lotsie

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  3. MINI Fireman

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    To be fair, the issue was resolved and the thread reopened (with assistance from Rally). :Thumbsup:
     
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    I'd be careful insulting that group, there's a lot of card carrying members of that particular organization who are also members here....
     
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    +1 :Thumbsup:
     
  6. ScottinBend

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    But it never should have even been on the radar to begin with......:eek:ut:

    gray raven really needs his wings clipped, went way overboard on that thread. But then again there are several mods over there that shouldn't be mods....:D
     
  7. Chase

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    This is also not so true. You can look at almost all professional drift teams out there and see that they run stretch on their cars.

    Also if you have a look at the Cyber evo, which is one of the fastest time attack cars in Japan, they run stretch.
     
  8. ScottinBend

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    Can't seem to find any images or proof of such.....all pics I can find show nominal installs.
     
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    Lot of rim showing on those wheels indicative of stretch.
     
  10. Chase

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    thanks Nathan
     
  11. ScottinBend

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    Still not convinced.........lol

    But besides we were discussing the extremes that were posted in the other thread and those combos would not be safe on the track.
     
  12. Rally

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    The ones posted in the thread are just barely out of normal spec with 205's on 8's. extreme combos are 195's on 9's and such being run by some of the crazy euro owners. Drifters run much more extreme stretch than any of the MINI's in that thread. Chase is right.

    Again, the bead isn't any more likely to unseat than when autocrossers or track cars run slightly wider tires than suggested for the wheel (happens all the time). Stretch gives the added benefit of a stiffer, less flexible sidewall which is why the cyber evo was running it. Drifters run it because a stiffer sidewall will break traction more predictably.

    Stretch on drift cars (extreme amount of force applied to the tires obviously)

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    The cyber Evo with the stretch chase was discussing. I believe this car holds some pretty impressive top lap times at various tracks.

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    haha if you cant see the major stretch in those pics, then i dont know how else to convince
     
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    Thanks for the info !

    Guess I'm not to old to learn something new...........lol

    I wasn't so much concerned about the tire coming off the rim during racing, just that it would seem to put a lot of extra load on the sidewall. It seems that you would be stretching the carcass in a direction it wasn't designed for.

    I would argue that the tires on a drift car aren't really being put under the same kinds of stress as a race car, mainly cause the drifters are spinning the tires which by definition is a loss of traction thus less stress on the sidewalls. I think.....:idea:
     
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    There would be less lateral stresses but increased heat and rotational forces so overall the tires are probably under more force.
     
  16. Rally

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    After they start the drift there is probably very little force on the tire sidewall...but just prior to braking traction when they whip it into the corner, I'd have to imagine that they're putting that tire through a great deal of force. I'm no professional when it comes to drifting though...
     

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