Give Steven at eMINIparts.com a call. He really knows these cars & is quite helpful.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
I have them, but mine are still in a box. I have an early build car and need to weld them in but need to find a shop I trust.....sad to say I haven't found such yet in 7 years of ownership.
FWIW, Alain (jpropane) chose to add a set when he built his new race car.....by the way, this is the one that was barely finished in time to participate at 3 Rivers last weekend and it ran from a 28th place starting posn to 3rd place finish in the second race. The chassis he used was a Gen1 Cooper without the mounting holes so he welded them in place, like so (lifted from Alain's excellent build thread on that other site):
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Way Motor Works New Member
These are a great, and cheap mod. The BMW engineers figured out they would work to stiffen the car. I've got plenty in stock if anyone needs them.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
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I stripped mine and did them in translucent red
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
I talked to a car engineer friend of mine way back when this started on the NAMless site. He told me the only reason he could see for doing this was to take care of a harmonic imbalance that resonated at the ends of the front tubes. He saw no reason to put these in to stop any kind of forces being applied as the front of the car saw no real torsional forces on it. These are way in front of the suspension and engine mounts.
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perhaps but for $50 and 15 minutes, it can't hurt
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Way Motor Works New Member
Well even if you don't think they stiffen the car. When I wrecked my car I had them on my car and the frame rails didn't bend. It made fixing it alot cheaper.
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
You are right.....for $50 it is a cheap part. Now whether or not it actually adds anything is a different matter.
Way, no claim that it didn't stiffen that part of the car. Just nothing to substantiate the claim of better handling. And the only professional advice yet has been that it does nothing for the performance of the car, just NVH. -
Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
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Thanks for starting the thread Nathan, good idea!
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There happens to be a set for sale on MM.org.
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So is welding the only option for the early cars?
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Nathan: Yeah, I PM'd him. Actually Way has them cheaper, so if I can get them without having to pay a premium, I will support the local club.
Nabeshin: I read somewhere that on the earlier cars you have to tap some of the mounting points. So would assume you would also have to drill them first. Call Way, I am sure they have installed plenty on early cars. -
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
You can all make up your own minds about these braces, but I had a nice long discussion with my engineer friend and I feel comfortable not wasting my money. I don't see anyone actually submitting any proof of why these were added to the 'verts.
It is really interesting that there seems to be a whole lot of folks saying these are a good idea for the 'verts so they must be good for the tin tops. How many 'verts have to have a whole lot of bracing added just to try and eliminate any cowl shake, rattles, and to stiffen the body? Remember these are unibody cars. -
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
Exactly my point......they are added to try and balance the parts taken off by the 'vert conversion, not to improve handling.
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I added these Cabrio Braces a few months back. I can't say I can tell any difference yet as I guess all the roads I seem to be traveling are straight, with an occasional 90 deg. turn thrown in for grins... :lol: Here's a pic.
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