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Truck drifting, now that there is funny! :lol:

 

Truth is, when the F56 comes out, I'll welcome all new F56 owners with open arms. I'll take into account that they may have eyesight issues, and if I see an F56 on the road, I'll still give the wave, but I'll make sure to give them plenty of leeway to prevent a sideswipe or head on collision.

 

OH NO!!! Factory pads are failing!!! :wink:

Sorry folks my meds haven't kicked in yet. :crazy:

 

Not sure if it was you or not--one thing about your post that you mentioned and should be stressed, obvious to most of us but maybe not to someone figuring out pads for the first time--the bobcats are street pads, the rest of those you mentioned are track pads (I've run all the XPs from 8 on up, but none of the autox pads), and I've yet to find a track pad that isn't big time dusty--not that I'm looking for one, it's just that they've all been very dusty in comparison to stock pads or bobcats. The bobcats IMHO were less dusty than stock, but I didn't run them that long, maybe two years tops.

If you're running an aggressive compound, dust is the price you pay (not to mention rotor life), unfortunately there are many people running overly aggressive pads in the street, when bobcats or street brakeman pads or even stock pads would be better on both the rotors, and work better in the operating temps--racing compounds suck until there is some heat in the system (then they are heaven) it usually takes me a lap or two to get them working properly, that's just not going to happen driving legally in most places (places like the dragon excluded). They'll still stop when they're cold, but unless you like sound of grating metal and lengthier stops as compared to street pads, it's not a very pleasant deceleration process...

On the occasions I put aggressive pads on before I go to track (I put them on at the track on most occasions) I'm extra careful on the brakes when I'm on the street, I try to use them as little as possible, and keep extra distance for anything in front of me. I scratch my head at people running XP 12's on daily drivers with crappy all season street tires (I didn't need the more aggressive compounds until I got into R-comps) but I know there are some out there. I just hope they aren't behind me when it's cold and wet.

 

cct1 - RIGHT ON.

FWIW - 1521 / Bobcats are much less dusty than OEM pads (or at least the OEM pads my 1st Gen came with in 2006, they may have changed since then), which is the primary attraction for most folks. They have much less "binary" bite, are more progressive. They'll stop the car just fine, but require much more pedal pressure to engage the ABS than the stock pads.

The AX6 pads are fine on the street, as they have excellent cold stopping performance. But are super dusty and noisy. They don't seem to be overly hard on rotors, but the pads themselves wear much faster than the 1521 compound (hence the friction and dust).

All you said about the track pads is true, in my experience. I know some folks who have run XP8's on the rear year round on their MINIs with no issues, but I don't do that. But, at least on the 1st gen cars, the rear calipers seem to have an interesting combination of duty cycle / bias, small pad area, low weight, etc. that make these pads perform well enough and make them not super dusty when driven in street conditions, but fine on the track, etc.

 

Budget cuts....

 

Yikes. Thats not good.

 

That you for the heads up. From the looks of it that pad was loose for a long time. There is a lot of rust where that pad attaches to the backing plate. There should be none.

You should call the maker & let them know about this failure.

Guess this winter I get to change out the greenstuffed pads on my Miata.

 

Frigg'n hilarious right there! I forgot about the Mini meat wagon in that scene.

I doubt EBC validates either.....

 

EBC isn't the first, I have had this happen with a different Brand on a different car over ten years ago.
As the politicians say, I don't remember any thing else.

 

I had the EBC Red Stuff pads put on my MCSa 2 years ago, changing over from the Hawk HPS pads that had disintegrated as I was leaving my pre-Mid Ohio tech check. I track the car at Mid Ohio when I can and I go to MOTD in the Springtime. I was at Mid Ohio last weekend with it for a BMW CCA HPDE and have had NO problems whatsoever with my pads. I DO, however, change out the brake fluids every 6 mos.

 

HPS are not a track day pad.......the HP+ could be called a track day pad, but not by me.

Now the Cool Carbons I have been happy with are definitely a great option (what.....again, sheesh :biggrin5

 

Well we all know how I feel about EBS Reds....:mad2::mad5:

http://www.motoringalliance.com/forums/suspension-brake-modifications/17879-read-ebc-brake-users-ebc-pad-failures.html#axzz2ikiZAxtq

Just recently I removed my rear EBC Reds and they fell apart in my hands. Another fail and that makes a total of 3.

I replaced the rears with Akebono's and will be putting Akebono's on the front also when i install my new 1st Gen JCW brakes with new rotors with new Goodridge SS lines

For the Dragon I will put new Brakeman pads and New Rotors on the front only.

 

Carbotech makes riveted pads and Brakeman makes EXCELLENT pads.

http://ctbrakes.com/

http://www.thebrakeman.com/superbrakes

 

To each his own. Mine lasted for nearly 3 years between Mid Ohio and Putnam Park, plus Dragon slaying in between.

I had Ferodos on the car and they dusted badly, so Chad of DT recommended and installed the Hawks because they dust less. Now, if the Hawks aren't a worthy enough street/track pad, then why would he install them?

 

Drop the weight of your MINI down around 2500 pounds, and the bigger brakes are even more pointless. That being said, Ive got s TCE 13" BBK if anybody is interested in buying me some new wheels and tires...

 

You are right...I do NOT believe in wearing out pads and tires prematurely. It doesn't mean I don't run fast when on the track or when I'm out driving, though. I have the money, however, but I don't like to waste it unnecessarily.

For safety's sake, I had my EBC Red Stuff pads taken off my MCS before I went to the track and inspected. They were fine at Mid Ohio and I returned home safe and sound. The EBC Green Stuff pads were similarly inspected this Spring before I went Dragon Slaying with the Cooper. Again, I got back home safe and sound.

 

I installed a set of EBC pads on a buddy's 335i. I sent him a link to this thread and warned him to keep an eye on them. I read these threads somewhat casually (not like studying a textbook), but I've seen enough mentions of EBC pads delaminating that I'm concerned about it.

 

I use my brakes and I go fast enough for my instructors to sign me off. I just don't see the need to burn them up. I do the HPDEs for fun, to learn the lines and apexes. Now, the tires are another thing, I guess, having gone thru 2 sets in the last 3 years. But, I still have plenty left on this last set to get me thru another year, as well as to and from next year's MOTD.