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  1. Minidave

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    BTW Mike, welcome to M/A

    What part of the world are you writing from? Is your car a US car?
     
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    Batrugger, I don't think it would crank if that ground cable was disconnected or broken.....

    I'm interested to see what the compression test shows....
     
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    I alos thought about the timing but I believe the chain would have to be lose for that to happen. you could pull the cam cover off and check the chain.
    Also a long shot but how old is the battery? If its old take it and have it tested. Minis do odd thinks with old battery.
     
  4. MiniMadMike

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    Hi everyone, thanks for the replies.
    @Batrugger - interesting information on the injector behaviour in your car, this is definitely quite different to the behaviour of mine. I wondered if was some kind of anti-flooding mechanism but it doesnt seem logical to me, to not supply fuel at all when cranking after only one round of injection.

    Will post compression test results when I do it later.

    The battery is old, not sure how old but not new! I dont think it is the original though. It had more or less run flat from the number of times I tried to start the car, so I got another car and connected it up to effectively jump start it. However, if you say they do weird things with old batteries, is it possible this could still be a cause even with another car jumping it?

    I have inspected the timinig chain already and it looks normal, chain doesn't appear loose or anything.

    So list of jobs as it stands:

    - Compression test
    - Measure voltage drop on injectors to see if the ECU is actuating them when cranking
    - Close inspection of chain drive/timing
    - Squirt easy start in the bores and see if there's any sign of life
    - Check earths

    Any other suggestions?

    Cheers :)
     
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    Forgot about the crank pulley.
     
  6. MiniMadMike

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    Hello guys. Thanks for all your help so far. Bit more progress yesterday - I carried out a compression test, cylinder 1 was good with around 150psi, but cylinders 2, 3 and 4 all have zero compression.

    Three cylinders having no compression sounds a lot like my timing chain has jumped a tooth - I wasnt able to check the timing marks last night but at the weekend i will do this. If it was a head gasket, for 3 cylinders to have no compression I imagine it would have to be a pretty catastrophic failure and I would have imagined I'd have experienced smoke/steam and seen evidence of oil in coolant etc. Seem logical?

    As I say I will check timing etc at the weekend and report back after that :)
     
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    I would also double or even triple check those compression numbers........
     
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    I'm not sure it is the timing chain. That would affect all cylinders equally.
     
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    Good job Minidave. I thought you were barking up the wrong tree. Maybe Nathan should start an advice of the month award.:D
     
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    Blowing 3 cylinders at the same time with no codes?????? I would think that the dash lights would look like Christmas trees...
     
  11. MiniMadMike

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    No dash lights when it broke down whatsoever :(

    Will re-check the compression just incase i messed something up the first time, and will check the timing as its a quick job. If I get no joy the head is coming off :'(

    I'll report back at the weekend. Thanks for all of your help guys!
     
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    I'm not suggesting Mike isn't telling us the truth, but when he pulls the head off and finds carnage inside......well, every time someone tells me the car was just idling and died and I see huge destruction inside or a well ventilated block, it makes me wonder whether seconds before he was foot to the floor in the lower gears or missed a shift........just before it quit! :biggrin5:


    BTW, doesn't the engine sound significantly different when it cranks over? Absent compression on three cylinders, it should........


    Can't wait to see some photos, Mike! :Thumbsup:
     
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    Oh the old money shift. BANG $$$$
     
  14. MiniMadMike

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    Hello Team,

    Well I found the problem, I'll let the pics do the talking...

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    Yep! The Camshaft snapped. Looks like it's due to a manufacturing issue with the casting of the shaft itself - the split that runs into the centre of the material lines up exactly with the casting line that runs along the length of the shaft.

    This camshaft is only 5k miles old - it was replaced with the cylinder head 5k miles ago (due to the ejection of a spark plug - unrelated issue).

    Definitely one for the x-files, looks like I've been unlucky.

    Thanks for all the advice guys.
     
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    Yeah I've had an endoscope down the bores and we'v not had any contact or anything like that. Can't see any other damage so as you say the valve probs closed up and that was that. Think I've been lucky in that respect. But yeah pretty crazy issue!
     
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    Glad you found it!
     
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    Cheers guys!!
     
  18. Minidave

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    I'm not sure that's aftermarket stuff, he said he replaced the old head cause a spark plug blew out and ruined the threads (I assume) so it could just be a used factory stock head.

    Mike?
     
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    You'll be back on the road in no time, hope the valves weren't damaged - I know you said you had a borescope in it and didn't see anything - hope that's right!
     
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    wow that was a strange issue. Glad you got it sorted.