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  1. oldbrokenwind

    oldbrokenwind Active Member

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    Might also check the vacuum pump, they've been known to lock up causing bent ex valves. I had the crank bolt work loose after using the wrong torque spec. Found one of these to help keep the bolt from loosening.

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  2. Williamc

    Williamc New Member

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    Hi just found out how my timing slipped it was as you said down to torque the both cam sprockets were torqued ok but the crank was 50 nm then 100 degrees instead of 180 so just waiting on the parts coming then rebuild again
     
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    That just sucks I have a manual at the shop I can double-check the torque process compared to all data for you Monday. Something slipped unless it was the chain but I can't see that happening very easily.
    You said both cams out slightly so I think crank pully is what moved or chain jumped on the crank pully but man it would have to be way loose.
    I do remember reading something about the early crank bolt spec calling for 100 degrees of rotation after initial torque and that was a misprint and it should be 180 but don't hold me to that until confirmed.
     
  4. Jeff10049

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    The bolt or balancer would not have to move just the gear if the clamping force was not tight enough. Was your spec the 50nm and 180 degrees rotation on the crank bolt? If it was the incorrect 100 degrees that could do it.

    Here are all the torque values.
    Damper Hub to Crankshaft - Use New Fastener
    Stage 1 = 50Nm (36.8 ft-lbs)
    Stage 2 = additional 180deg of rotation

    Exhaust Sprocket to Camshaft [N14] - Use New Fastener
    Stage 1 = 20Nm (14.7 ft-lbs)
    State 2 = additional 90deg of rotation

    VANOS Unit to Intake Camshaft [N14] - Use New Fastener
    Stage 1 = 20Nm (14.7 ft-lbs)
    Stage 2 = additional 180deg of rotation
     
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    Sounds like you're not aware of these procedures, complete with torque specs --- https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/ Use the last seven characters of your VIN to ensure the correct versions.
     
  6. Williamc

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    Hi Jeff I’ve found it where it came from when taking the head off and taking all the hydraulic lifters out didn’t realise until I was fitting them one actually came apart so the spring must go in there I’m going to strip another just to check that’s all that goes in there
     
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    He's referring to an aftermarket cylinder head - it sounds like you're in the UK and most of us are here in the States. Over here, RMW is one such company that sells a big valve head for the Cooper S, but I don't know if they do them for the turbo era cars.
     
  8. Jeff10049

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    Did you replace the sprocket bolts and crank bolt? They are torque to yield fasteners so they stretch when torqued some of that springs back when loosened but not all of it so the bolt becomes longer when reused they can sometimes bottom out in the cam so when you do the final step you are simply twisting the bolt not applying pressure to the gear. Same with the crankshaft bolt.
    This will cause the gear to slip later on if you absolutely had to reuse a cam or crank bolt thread it in first to make sure it goes in deeper than the gear is thick if not grind some off. But remember Its already yielded once twice is pushing it.
     
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  10. Williamc

    Williamc New Member

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    Hi Jeff thanks for the info when I’m rebuilding I will probably just renew the crank bolt again because there’s probably no way of telling if the torque is correct now so probably safer to renew
     
  11. Williamc

    Williamc New Member

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    Hi thanks for the info will look into the cravenspeed part and when I had the vacuum pump off it was certainly turning ok
     
  12. Jeff10049

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    what spec did you use last time? if it was the 100deg spec you can reuse it as it was never stretched to the point of yield. But if you're re-ordering cam bolts why not get all 3 cheap insurance I suppose
     
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    I can’t remember but I’m just going to replace all 3 to be safe
     
  14. Williamc

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    Hi what I can’t understand that if the crank bolt wasn’t tightened to the 180 degrees and the crank gear slipped when I set the timing up both cams had moved equal amounts but how it managed to just bend all exhaust valves is beyond me ??
     
  15. Jeff10049

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    Torque center bolts first then work outwards.

    M8 x 35mm
    30 Nm (22.1 ft-lb)

    M8 x 95mm
    stage 1 - 15 Nm (11 ft-lb)
    stage 2 - additional 90 degrees
    stage 3 - additional 90 degrees

    M10 x 145mm
    stage 1 - 30 Nm (22.1 ft-lb)
    stage 2 - additional 90 degrees
    stage 3 - additional 90 degrees

    Use new bolts
     
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  16. Jeff10049

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    There should be a valve disk as well it may still be in the smaller part of the lifter. Looking at another is a good idea to make sure you get it right.
     
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    Got a message from Williamc that the car is up and running fine. I hate threads with no end so I messaged him to see.
     
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    Sorry about your mechanical problems, but, Welcome to M/A!

    All o my MINIs are Generation 1's, so I cannot be of any help, but, there are many on here who can offer the suggestions you need....good luck!
     
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    Sorry to hear this. It sounds like the chain slipped. When I did my timing chain that was my big fear. It still is when I think about it. I cant believe the only thing that keeps it from slipping is the bolts being tight, I would prefer a key.
    on the bright side sense you have to pull the head maybe you should through a big valve head on there. :D

    Good luck keep us up on what you do.
     
  20. Williamc

    Williamc New Member

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    Sorry for being ignorant what’s the difference with the big valve head apart from valve size obviously and does it come off another model ?