1st Gen R53 Cooper S Engine overheating, spewing coolant

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  1. Gizmo

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    Water pump was replaced less than a year ago
     
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    :cornut: Video Works.:Thumbsup:

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    Can't see the video on iPad, but are you bleeding the air John?
     
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    Video shows the exhaust. Does it smell sweet like antifreeze?
     
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    Maybe you fed that gremlin in you picture after midnight, and it messed with the motor?!:crazy:

    Usually if the coolant system has been bleed after refilling, it should be ok....but in this case where it seems to be blowing coolant out the bottle, has been seen to have a whish exhaust (and smell there?), I'm guessing sneed speed and his suggestion that a head gasket has failed is correct.....
    not sure if anything else is going on...
    Any lights, codes, etc?
    A failed crank damper usually DOES result in overheat....but with no alternator lights.. unlikely....
    Another possibility is the PTO on the SC failed....leaving the car running, NO WATERPUMP....resulting in overheating, which possibly caused the head-gasket to go...but I even question that, cause the "KNOCK" for the first few miles before the FIRST EVENT.
    I think we can speculate and guess lots, but this car is gonna need a hands on looks-see to figure it out...my guess..
    IMO I would strongly suggest limit running it.. subsequent overheats can cause, more damage.
    Good luck, and PLEASE post the findings when you get it fixed!!
     
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    I'm going to tow/trailer the car home this weekend, I have spring break next week so this came at a 'good' time.

    SC and Waterpump were both replaced by Helix last year.

    My car is at 116,000 miles so the head gasket is likely.

    No lights or codes are being thrown at all.

    I tried bleeding any air but only fluid came out (that was after several tries every thirty seconds or so).


    I think you can all see why my car is named Gizmo now...the 'gremlin' name fits the car's personality.

    I'll post any findings I can but until the weekend I will not be running the car at all.

    THANK YOU all for the help.
     
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    Thank you Deb!
     
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    #30 mini_racer, Mar 5, 2013
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    My remote diagnosis remains as stated in post #6, thermostat.
    It is certainly possible for the chain of event to have evolved into additional failures like a blown head gasket, and even more, but the initial event could have been as simple as the thermostat. It is really important to not let the temps go super-nova.

    Since #4 gets more air anyway, it has a tendency to run a tad bit leaner than the others. Pull the plugs and look for damage on the plugs themselves and even look for aluminum deposits from the pistons on the plugs if it was crazy lean and detonating significantly. If the incident is due solely to the thermostat then possibly only #4 is involved. If you blew the head gasket then it could fail wherever the weakest spot is, and not necessarily by #4.

    When my thermostat died, #4 ran lean and killed the plug, and that is where my incident ended.

    Good Luck and whatever it is I hope it is cheap for you.
     
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    #31 Gizmo, Mar 5, 2013
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    I'm thinking of replacing the following while I have it all apart:
    1. Valve cover gasket
    2. Thermostate (with updated gasket style)
    3. Intake gasket
    4. Exhaust gasket
    5. Head gasket
    6. Head bolts

    Should I order a timing chain tensioner as well? I was reading around on other threads and some said it should be replaced as well.
     
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    Gaskets are replaced, thermostat is in, the engine is almost reassembled now. Took a good two days to take apart and reassemble the engine components. Thanks for eMINIParts for the replacement parts and extra goodies (definitely lifted my spirits).

    Head gasket looked normal, so I presume the thermostat was the issue.

    The engine cranks but I have to replace my fuel injectors (stupid mistake on my end), so I'm waiting for those to arrive. HOPEFULLY the car will start right up when I get them installed. Then will be the moment of truth if the issue was even fixed :/

    Guess I should work on homework now since Gizmo is on jack stands and I have nothing to currently do on it.

    I'll post some more updates when I can.
     
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    Thanks for filling us in. You've done a fine job. Now check everything & check it again. You'll be motoring in no time at all! :Thumbsup:
     
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    Thanks for the update John!
     
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    I was able to get the injectors removed today.... "Remove by pulling on the fuel rail" my @ss. With the help of a vise grip and some patience I got them off.


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    Oh my...those injectors have seen a better day!
     
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    I just showed a tech the picture and he asked if they were found at the bottom of the ocean?
     
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    I'll bet the spray pattern wasn't very efficient.... You should see a HP bump with new ones....
     
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    Lol!! Maybe Poseidon previously owned my car.

    I really wanted to get JCW injectors for the mods I have done to my car but I wouldn't have the time to get my car tuned until two/three weeks or so from now. :/
     
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    I also cleaned off the top of the pistons with a microfiber rag and some carb cleaner when the head was off. They were covered with black soot.
     

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