Exhaust Advice

I have a Milltek on my '06 MCS. It rattles when I start the car and quickly disappears when the car warms.. I had the car gone over at MAG and they were [of course] quick to note that it's an exhaust leak in the same area. Whe I went to the Dragon last year with it, I talked to Waylen about it and he told me that there is a rubber gasket there that disintegrates over time and the joint slightly loosens when the engine cools. "Is it a problem?", I asked. I was told it is not, unless I was idling in an enclosed area and was contemplating suicide. Otherwise, I could drive safely in all the elements without worrying about impending doom.

 

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I bet I know a guy who has like 10 oem exhausts just hanging around and won't charge 2 grand...... Where's Chris and Stephen when you need them.

 

Yup I counted at least 3 up against the side of the garage.

I would check in to the gasket idea first.

Don't buy a new OEM. Chris said he was coming to donuts Saturday so check with him.
After that I would check for used parts. A request on the board and carparts.com or with with a new or used aftermarket system.

 

If you strike out on a good, used OEM and decide to go aftermarket, the best exhaust IMO is the Milltek. Their R53 exhaust is pretty sweet.

 

You can't just replace the gasket? :confused5:

 

Could, but why take it all apart? The joint expands when the pipe heats up anyway and seals the opening. Mine has been that way for years and I'm not dead yet.

 

Jeff, can you tell the difference between the exhaust and the stogies? :cornut:

 

Absolutely! Stogies are plant material and are aged. They can even be eaten and/or chewed, which is what some fanciers of cigars do instead of smoking them. Stogies can be smoked and inhaled or smoked and not inhaled. I only do the latter [puff and exhale only]. MY lungs are clean, although I cannot say that about smokers who inhale. :frown2:

The exhaust is made of metal and is only aged if one does not sell it off the shelf. It cannot be eaten, and I do not recommend chewing them [hard on the teeth, ya know?]. Some exhausts smoke and some do not...doesn't matter...inhaling from an exhaust is a quick way to the "other side"!

 

Even if you don't inhale stogies you are still breathing that stuff into your lungs. Your choice, I'm not going to read the surgeon generals warning to you.

Back on topic, fix your leaking exhaust..... :wink:

 

Gee, Chuck...breathing ANY "stuff" from our well-polluted air will do the same thing. So, I guess we should go around wearing masks?

Have you ANY idea how many doctors and even Presidents smoke? I daresay the Surgeon General's "warning" has fallen on deaf ears...even at the top.

 

It hasn't. Smoking rates went down considerably after the warning came out. It took time, but it did. The warning has not fallen on on "deaf ears"; exactly the opposite. Just because a few people ignored it doesn't mean it hasn't been effective.

VERY few doctors smoke (a few of the older guys but they are few and far between), some do, but much, much less than the general population. Virtually NONE of the younger doctors smoke (In fact not a single one in our multispeciality group), i.e. those born or entering practice after the warning. Fact.

Breathing in polluted air is nowhere near a risk factor for lung cancer as first or second hand smoke. It slightly increases the risk of lung cancer, but it's real risk is with reactive air disease rather than cancer.

 

Gee, I guess this means you will NOT be attending the Cigar Salon at MOTD next year, huh?

Seriously, I understand what you and Chuck are saying. However, we are blessed with "Freedom of Choice", whether you like it or not. It's not fair to cast aspersions on people who smoke by their own choice.

My great grandfather was a coal miner and yet, died of old age and natural causes at 87 years of age. My father was a surgeon [urology] and died of black lung disease and after having smoked CIGARETTES since the age of 17. He was 85 years old. My grandfather died of old age [89 years old] after a life of smoking a pipe, cigars, and occasional cigarettes.

I am 69. I never smoked until I was 56. I only smoke cigars and I do not inhale. I can look back on countless people I used to know who have died from lung cancer and who never smoked, but the most poignant one was my father-in-law...a war veteran, and cereal grains farmer who developed a cough and two weeks later died, after having been diagnosed with advanced lung cancer.

 

You can always find articles to support your opinion and that's what I did (see below). My original thoughts? I feel the tobacco industry is an easy target for the govt to point a finger and raise a tax... that is not to deny any health risk of course. Just my .02.

Health Benefits of Cigar Tobacco Leaves

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Worst argument in the book is using sampling error. There are people who will smoke and not get lung cancer. There are people who do not smoke that will get lung cancer (a cereal farmer, by the way, may have a radium exposure issue, depending on the region of the country. Wanna guess if that increases your risk of lung cancer?). To justify smoking because someone who smoked didn't get lung cancer just changes the argument, but doesn't change the fact. You smoke, you have a higher risk of lung cancer.

Cigars are different than cigarettes obviously with regard to lung cancer. I have no problems with people enjoying a stogie, I just don't want it in my face. From Steve Martin:

"Mind if I smoke?"

"Sure, go ahead. Mind if I fart?"

I agree with freedom of choice wholeheartedly. What you do in the privacy of your home on your own time is your business, not mine. It's absolutely fair to cast aspersions on people who smoke around those that do not, they are putting those people at risk. It's why smoking has been banned in many places, and rightfully so. You want to take the risk, go for it. Just don't share that risk with others. And it 's not just risk of lung cancer--smoking around people with reactive air disease, COPD, severe emphysema, etc. is incredibly selfish. Like pouring water on a drowning man.

You want to smoke, knock yourself out. But don't argue it's not a risk because not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer, and have some respect for the people around you.

Off my soapbox, tune into your regularly scheduled channel.

 

I smoke cigars where other cigar smokers smoke. I do not smoke where people are not smoking. If I am out in public and want to smoke, I always ask first if it might offend someone or if they would prefer I not smoke.

I smoke in my car while I drive and on my enclosed porch in the wintertime, on my outdoor patio when the weather is nice, as well as while I am mowing. I NEVER smoke inside the house [my wife is a non-smoker, but a breast cancer survivor].

I never said there are no risks to smoking...NEVER. However, I DID state there are other ways to ruin one's lungs. You do not seem to agree, but what about people who work in the iron and steel industry...or cement plants...or at any job where carcinogenic dust can enter one's lungs?

By the way, my father-in-law lived in Spain [in a remote village of around 500 inhabitants and farmed his lands around that village] all his life.

 

OK, wait a second here...Never did I disagree there were other ways you could ruin your lungs (see the radium comment). There are plenty of ways to do it; but I was specifically addressing lung cancer/smoking. But because there are other ways to accomplish destroying your lungs, at least to me, that doesn't get smoking off the hook.

And I have absolutely no problem at all with you or anyone else smoking, especially if that's how you approach it. It's your choice, your risk, and if you have the decency to think of the others around you, hats off. I drive ridiculously high speeds on the track. It's not entirely rational, but I do it. It's a risk I'm willing to take (I don't do it on public roads, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms).

Don't know about Radium and Spain, that's too far off my radar, lol. It would be interesting to see what the rates of lung cancer are in the region though, just out of curiosity.

 

Wow Jeff, I wasn't telling you not to smoke. That is your choice & your right to do so. To say it is OK because you don't inhale is laughable. You don't inhale the smoke that that comes out of the back of the cigar, but you do inhale what comes out the front of it. Same smoke same carcinogens.

Again smoke em if you got em, just don't tell me it is not harmful.

Folks hang out & smoke cigars & fine it is. Folks who don't smoke or don't like second hand smoke stay away. Seems to work well for many.

Secondhand G forces don't hurt others. :wink:

Back on topic.....

How did we go from bad gaskets to Stogies??? Or lets take a nap, because we are getting cranky.

 

Good advice, I'm taking a nap. I'm at work, so it's going to be tough, but I'll manage.