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    Lotus back in F1

    Team Lotus has been awarded the 13th slot by the FIA for next year's Formula One World Championship. In effect, the new outfit replaces BMW Sauber on the team roster, as the Lotus name returns to Formula One for the first time since 1994.

    Meanwhile, the proposed entry from the Spanish Epsilon Euskadi team has been overlooked.

    However, the FIA has given Sauber a reserve slot on the basis that other teams--a manufacturer such as Renault or Toyota or perhaps one of the four newcomers--fails to make it.

    In addition, the FIA says the grid could be opened up to 14 teams. This would be a logical path to follow since it would allow Sauber to press ahead and actually work on a new car knowing that it will race, and if another team goes away, the field would just shrink to a more manageable number.

    The new Lotus team is backed by the Malaysian government and a consortium of Malaysian businessmen, and the official company name is the rather unhandy 1Malaysia F1 Team. Its technical director will be former Renault and Toyota man Mike Gascoyne, who left Force India at the end of last year. The team will be based at a facility in Norfolk--not far from the Lotus road-car factory, which was originally built for the aborted Toyota F1 program in the early 1990s. More recently, it was the base of the successful Bentley Le Mans project.

    Intriguingly, a new technical and manufacturing base is to be built at the Sepang circuit in Malaysia, clearly one of the reasons why the government got involved. The cars will use Cosworth engines, reviving a partnership that goes back to 1967.

    Malaysia has had connections with the Lotus name since 1994, thanks to Proton's ownership of the road-car company. Former Red Bull and Ferrari marketing guru Dany Bahar was recently made boss of Lotus.

    The man behind the project is Tony Fernandes, best known as the boss of the successful Air Asia budget airline which has been a sponsor of Williams. The British-educated Fernandes got his start in business in the music industry, working initially for Virgin and later for Warners in Asia before starting the airline from scratch. Two years ago, Forbes noted his personal wealth at $230 million.
     
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    Is Renault toast in F1?

    Renault said Wednesday that team boss Flavio Briatore and engineering chief Pat Symonds have left the team in the wake of the Singapore crash saga. The manufacturer said it will not dispute the FIA's case against it.

    Yesterday we predicted Briatore's departure after the FIA gave “immunity†to Symonds if he would reveal all he knew about the scandal. The controversy began when former driver Nelson Piquet Jr. accused the two team heads of asking him to crash deliberately in last year's Singapore Grand Prix in order to cause a caution period, which aided the strategy of teammate Fernando Alonso. Piquet did indeed crash, and the subsequent safety-car period ultimately allowed Alonso to win the race.

    It is now unclear whether Briatore and Symonds were flat-out fired or if they resigned or reached a mutual agreement with Renault. A team statement said: “The Renault F1 Team will not dispute the recent allegations made by the FIA concerning the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix. It also wishes to state that its managing director, Flavio Briatore, and its executive director of engineering, Pat Symonds, have left the team. Before attending the hearing before the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Sept. 21, the team will not make any further comment.â€

    The team clearly hopes that the absence of the two main protagonists will lead to a lesser sentence and that contesting the charges will cause the FIA to look more favorably on it. Whether or not the strategy actually pays off is another matter; the FIA will no doubt note that it gave the team and its management every chance to come clean and that it took 19 days from the date of the original investigation before they did so.

    Briatore and Symonds were left in an impossible position by the evidence that stacked up against them. They now likely hope that they will avoid the embarrassment of an interrogation by the World Motor Sport Council on Sept. 21. However, they already provided evidence in the form of interviews that took place during the Belgian GP more than two weeks ago and subsequent written submissions. Therefore, they could still be subject to personal bans from FIA-sanctioned motorsports.
     
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    #124 Steve, Sep 16, 2009
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    That's a shocker. After reading the transcript of Symonds' session with the FIA I was sure Piquet's story was true but I really expected Flavio to fight on to the bitter end anyway. I'd bet the only reason they left is because Renault (the car company, not the team) forced the issue. It was probably one of those "if you want to avoid being fired, you will resign" ultimatums. Now I wonder how much Renault knew and when they learned it.

    On the BMW/Sauber topic, I just read they already have a deal to run Ferrari engines next season. Here's an esoteric question. An engine manufacturer is only allowed to supply a certain number of teams (I think it's four) but is there a difference between the way that rule affects Merc and Ferrari? After all, for Merc, McLaren counts as one team they supply, but the Ferrari team use their own engines.....so does that mean Merc can supply McLaren and three others and Ferrari can supply four non-Ferrari teams? I wouldn't say it matters since teams are almost fighting for Merc, not Ferrari, engine supplies, but IF Renault leave (forced or otherwise) that engine supply may go with them, and no one seems to want Toyota's engines.
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    edit: Disregard the whole "how many teams can each engine manufacturer supply" biz. Don't know where I got the idea there was a regulated limit. Looks like any limits are self-imposed by the engine manufacturers.
     
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    #125 Steve, Sep 18, 2009
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    More on engines. I've been thinking the F1-following sites ought to be trying to keep up with engine use statistics through the year. After all, the rule change (essentially, free use of up to 8 engines -- penalties begin to apply when you retire #8) just delayed the any effects of engine reliability issues until later in the season.

    Both BMW drivers are starting on their 8th engine in Singapore..... They still have the option of re-using any of their used ones that already haven't blown, but engine #9 = a 10-place grid demotion.
     
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    Like 10 spots back for BMW would be a penalty....
     
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    I thought about that, but they've been showing signs of life lately -- points in each of the last three races -- Kubica 8th in Valencia, Kubica 4th and Heidfeld 5th at Spa and Heidfeld 7th at Monza.

    I wonder whether any other teams are near the end of their no-penalty supply.
     
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    Renault under probation until 2011

    Pat Symonds banned for five years.

    Flavio banned from all FIA events for life.
     
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    :yikes:

    For life and no management possibilities either. Looks like Flav will be down at the main gate like the rest of us now.......LOL
     
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    But he gets to keep the yacht and the hot too young for him wife, right?

    I mean, besides money, how are these two people together:

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    #131 Steve, Sep 21, 2009
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    Renault have to watch their steps carefully for the next two years, but I'm still not convinced they'll stay in F1 that long. The head of the company isn't a fan of racing, period, much less the most expensive series going, and the company has been losing plenty of money anyway. There isn't even a French GP (off the calendar again for 2010).

    If Symonds doesn't retire at this point I wouldn't be surprised if he spends the next five years in another racing series and then pops up in F1 again.

    As for Flavio... Someone wrote that he won't be missed by many and I'm definitely in the "won't miss him" camp. Every year I've wished that self-centered, abrasive parasite would find something else to do. Something tells me he hung around F1 because it fed his massive ego.

    I love this bit:

    ... wonder how long it'll be before Alonso, Webber, Kovalainen and Grosjean are officially out from under his thumb. We're already into the 2010 driver silly season so any who haven't already signed deals for next hear may be scrambling for new management already today.
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    edit: not really sure if he manages Alonso these days
     
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    I say she's married to the lifestyle...he's just an unfortunate part of the deal. She's probably as much of an egomaniac as he is though and welcomes the limelight that follows him around. She's not the first either; he's had some young model or another hanging on his arm for years.
     
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    South Korea is now on the 2010 race calendar. Canada is "penciled in" as well. Assuming the deal with Canada firms (note the asterisk below), it's back to 19 venues.

     
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    South Korea? Hyundai GP? I think I need a new hat to protect myself from those flying pigs.
     
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    ....and maybe even a Hyundai F1 team....maybe they'll step in if/when Toyota drop out....
     
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    As I mentioned earlier, I've been expecting this sort of thing:

    Pre-Singapore engine update (f1.gpupdate.net)

    And on the subject of engines, the '10 Sauber team apparently has a deal to run Ferrari engines if they're allowed onto the grid next year. At the moment Sauber are sort of the runners-up as the 14th team selected by the FIA, and the idea is they take any slot vacated if another team departs. Also, if the other teams agree, they'll be the 14th team rather than needing to hope for a vacancy. 14 teams = 28 cars on the grid.
     
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    Heheheh, if they can get 6 more teams they will have a NASCAR like field.
     
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    Anyone notice where Grosjean crashed his Renault during practice today? Yep, I saw one headline that called it the "Piquet Wall" but maybe "Renault Wall" would be a better moniker. :lol:
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    Notice how there is no more ING sponsorship too....

    The pulled their support of the Renault F1 team
     
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    #140 Steve, Sep 30, 2009
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    Ferrari finally officially announced signing Alonso to partner Massa next year. All sorts of dominoes may fall as a result.

    Most seem to think Raikkonen is bound for McMerc, but that isn't confirmed yet and there's also his rumored move to rally cars to keep people guessing for a while. Kubica to Renault? That's the rumor. It seems like a sillier silly season than most this year (LOTS of other moves in the works, not the least of which is Villeneuve still claiming he'll be back) but at least one of the major players is locked in. Now to wait for all the other shoes to drop.

    Hamilton (and Raikkonen?) at McMerc, Alonso at Ferrari, Kubica at Renault, Button (and Rosberg?) at Brawn, Vettel and Webber at Red Bull....might be an interesting season in 2010....
     
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    Don't forget that at least 3 new teams are yet to announce their drivers.