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  1. Steve

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    I'm having trouble remembering wonder what sort of engines (cylinders/displacement) they were using back in the "turbo era" (late 70s thru 80s?) when they were putting out power in the 1000(+)hp range. I don't imagine those cars were quiet and they certainly were fast.

    I think I like the idea of a return to turbos with modern tuneability and technology and techniques to deal with lag and so on. Imagine what would happen though if they allowed teams to slap turbos on today's F1 engines.....
     
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    .......1.5L Turbo's back in the day.
     
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    True but not 4 cylinders and if remembered correctly the attrition rate was very high....
     
  4. farkus

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    Alfa Romeo: V8 1.5 L Turbo
    BMW: M12 inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
    Ferrari: V6 1.5 L Turbo
    Ford: V6 1.5 L Turbo
    Hart: inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
    Honda: V6 1.5 L Turbo
    Motori Moderni: V6 1.5 Turbo
    Renault: Gordini V6 1.5 L Turbo
    TAG-Porsche: V6 1.5 L Turbo
    Zakspeed: inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
     
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    Looks like the FIA allowed teams to run either of two options back then with max. displacement limits for each, 1.5L with a turbo and 3.0L without. Sounds like a better idea to me, give the teams turbo and N/A options with max displacement (and max boost levels?) and let them decide what to do. Or maybe go with the proposed turbo option and set today's engine formula as the N/A option. Would create some diversity on the grid.
     
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    I'm having a bit of trouble picturing a 1.5L V8...imagining a pair of banks of lawn mower engines.
     
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    There was a transitional period of two years allowing both I believe and the 1.5L turbo was mandatory after that...until the N/A 3.5L
     
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    I would love to see BMW back in F1 with a turbo 4 cyl - imagine the trickle down tech for our 1.6L MINIs!
     
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    I stand corrected, had thought they were all 6 holes or more....
     
  10. Steve

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    Hmmm, a three year evaluation period sounds entertaining. Allow the two options and then decide which way to go (or to stay the course), during/after the 2nd year. I just think it would be great to see some broader disparity again. Then again, that's the problem. The trend is toward ever-greater restriction of the formula resulting in elimination of options.

    Back to reality, I don't think turbos would break F1. I think if the real thrust is to make F1 green then they have their heads up where the sun don't shine. Seems to me "green F1" is an oxymoron for a reason. This is where Bernie is right. Todt's green push is nothing but PR IMHO. Then again, I suppose this is another reason I like the multiple engine formula idea. If a team wants to separate itself from the non-green fuel-guzzling rest of the pack, give them the option and some development space to work within.
     
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    #325 goaljnky, Mar 18, 2011
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    I believe the objection is not to the Turbos, but to the 4 cylinders.

    /fixed above
     
  12. Nathan

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    As much as I am a fan of the boys from Maranello ...

    F.I.A. stands for Ferrari International Assistance
     
  13. minimark

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    Totally agree.... but has any other manufacture stayed as long and loyal to F1?
     
  14. Steve

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    Here's an article from 1 Jan.

    Ferrari seeks allies to oppose 2013 FIA Formula 1 engine regulations (f1sa.com)

     
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    Presumably the FIA wants there to be more standardisation - around the 'Global Engine'. Both WRC world rally cars and WTCC international touring cars are using the same 1.6L turbo four engien rule from this year and, as intended, some manufacturers are using the same engine in both types of racing.
     
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    Exactly.......
     
  18. minimark

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    So they are suggesting that F1, the supposed quintessence of auto racing, should run power plants that are shared in some form with other series?

    ....and how is this supposed to improve the racing?
     
  19. Steve

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    :rolleyes:

    Individual colours for each tyre compound (gpupdate.net)

     
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    Here we go again. Bernie sure seems intent on taking F1 to NY.

    Ecclestone to meet with New York mayor (gpupdate.net)