I'm having trouble remembering wonder what sort of engines (cylinders/displacement) they were using back in the "turbo era" (late 70s thru 80s?) when they were putting out power in the 1000(+)hp range. I don't imagine those cars were quiet and they certainly were fast.
I think I like the idea of a return to turbos with modern tuneability and technology and techniques to deal with lag and so on. Imagine what would happen though if they allowed teams to slap turbos on today's F1 engines.....
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
.......1.5L Turbo's back in the day.
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True but not 4 cylinders and if remembered correctly the attrition rate was very high....
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Alfa Romeo: V8 1.5 L Turbo
BMW: M12 inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
Ferrari: V6 1.5 L Turbo
Ford: V6 1.5 L Turbo
Hart: inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
Honda: V6 1.5 L Turbo
Motori Moderni: V6 1.5 Turbo
Renault: Gordini V6 1.5 L Turbo
TAG-Porsche: V6 1.5 L Turbo
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Looks like the FIA allowed teams to run either of two options back then with max. displacement limits for each, 1.5L with a turbo and 3.0L without. Sounds like a better idea to me, give the teams turbo and N/A options with max displacement (and max boost levels?) and let them decide what to do. Or maybe go with the proposed turbo option and set today's engine formula as the N/A option. Would create some diversity on the grid.
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
I would love to see BMW back in F1 with a turbo 4 cyl - imagine the trickle down tech for our 1.6L MINIs!
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Back to reality, I don't think turbos would break F1. I think if the real thrust is to make F1 green then they have their heads up where the sun don't shine. Seems to me "green F1" is an oxymoron for a reason. This is where Bernie is right. Todt's green push is nothing but PR IMHO. Then again, I suppose this is another reason I like the multiple engine formula idea. If a team wants to separate itself from the non-green fuel-guzzling rest of the pack, give them the option and some development space to work within. -
goaljnky New Member
I believe the objection is not to the Turbos, but to the 4 cylinders.
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As much as I am a fan of the boys from Maranello ...
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Totally agree.... but has any other manufacture stayed as long and loyal to F1?
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Here's an article from 1 Jan.
Ferrari seeks allies to oppose 2013 FIA Formula 1 engine regulations (f1sa.com)
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Presumably the FIA wants there to be more standardisation - around the 'Global Engine'. Both WRC world rally cars and WTCC international touring cars are using the same 1.6L turbo four engien rule from this year and, as intended, some manufacturers are using the same engine in both types of racing.
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
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So they are suggesting that F1, the supposed quintessence of auto racing, should run power plants that are shared in some form with other series?
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Individual colours for each tyre compound (gpupdate.net)
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Here we go again. Bernie sure seems intent on taking F1 to NY.
Ecclestone to meet with New York mayor (gpupdate.net)
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