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That's a good question. I think that Webber can be angry the team for being told to back off, and angry at himself for not managing the pass.

As far as Red Bull finishing with no points, don't they get some points based on where they were when the race was 90% finished even if they drop out? I personally think that the call shouldn't have been made for Webber to maintain the gap. It seems kind of fishy to me.

 

Nope, no finish no points.

I think Webber has to realize that he is indeed the #2 driver. If he doesn't like it he can find another team to drive for.....like so many other very good drivers had to do when faced with the same team problem.

The rules need to be made so that teams are allowed to innovate, like with the off-throttle stuff and blown diffusers. If a particular team has found a design that out paces all the others, then it is up to the other teams to try and come up with their own innovative design. Don't dump on the tram that has come up with a great idea and then has spent mucho funds to get it into production.

Now if the new design is in violation of the rules already in place then the FIA can dissallow the car. Otherwise let the best car win.

 

I've followed F1 for 50yrs and long ago came to the conclusion that the FIA is just a subdivision of Ferrari.

 

Agree on all points and well said!

 

If it's good for Ferrari it's good for F1

As goes Ferrari so goes F1

FIA = Ferrari International Assistance

 

From that utter bastion of reliability Wikipedia: (yes I know )

So if I read that right, Red Bull had completed 90% of the winner's distance in the final few laps, and therefore could have parked and had a smoke if they felt like it, and still gotten some points. Less than they would if they had finished I'm guessing, but still scoring.

Of course, Wikipedia could be making that up... or I could be reading that wrong.

But from my limited understanding, it seems that the excuse that they didn't want a crash to take out both cars and lose them their lead seems a little weird. I mean, they're so far ahead on points now that even if they didn't score for one race it wouldn't cost them the lead, right? And if the above is true, one or both of of them not finishing at that point wouldn't have been a zero point race for RB.

So then it seems to come down to that either they thought Webber and Vettel would wreck (and that seems to be a bit like they don't have confidence in their drivers) or they were dismissing Webber as a second stringer.

At least that's how I interpreted that when I heard the call. It's very possible that I'm insane or feeling conspiratorially minded (though I prefer the term "independent speculative analysis").

Of course it's easy to armchair this from aaaalllllll the way over here....

 

From the FIA Sporting Regulations...

6) WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

6.1 The Formula One World Championship driver's title will be awarded to the driver who has scored the highest number of points, taking into consideration all the results obtained during the Events which have actually taken place.

6.2 The title of Formula One World Champion Constructor will be awarded to the competitor which has scored the highest number of points, results from both cars (see Article 13.6) being taken into account.

6.3 A constructor is the person (including any corporate or unincorporated body) which designs the Listed Parts set out in Schedule 3 to The 2009 Concorde Agreement. The make of an engine or chassis is the name attributed to it by its constructor.

The obligation to design and use Listed Parts shall not prevent a constructor from outsourcing the design and/or manufacture of any Listed Parts to a third party in accordance with the provisions of Schedule 3 to The 2009 Concorde Agreement.

If the make of the chassis is not the same as that of the engine, the title will be awarded to the former which shall always precede the latter in the name of the car.

6.4 Points for both titles will be awarded at each Event according to the following scale :
1st : 25 points
2nd : 18 points
3rd : 15 points
4th : 12 points
5th : 10 points
6th : 8 points
7th : 6 points
8th : 4 points
9th : 2 points
10th : 1 point

6.5 If a race is suspended under Article 41, and cannot be resumed, no points will be awarded if the leader has completed less than two laps, half points will be awarded if the leader has completed more than two laps but less than 75% of the original race distance and full points will be awarded if the leader has completed more than 75% of the original race distance.

6.6 The drivers finishing first, second and third in the Championship must be present at the annual FIA Prize Giving ceremony.

Nothing in there at all about getting Constructor Points for completing 90% of the race distance.

 

I think Wikipedia got it from here: (PDF)

And now the obligatory CURSE YOU WIKIPEDIA! :shakesfist:

 

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

If 1 drops out on the last lap and 11 is on the lead lap and passes 1 sitting in the "weeds" on his last lap, no points for 1 because he is then classified 11th, game over. 12th place is a lap down and doesn't finish on the lead lap.

What series uses a 90% rule?


Remember in Montreal, Vettel spun, Button passed him, Vettel recovered and finished 2nd because Webber in third was 20+ seconds behind Vettel when Vettel spun.

Webber is the support driver at this juncture and only Webber fails to see it that way. F1 is a team sport and Vettel could have an opportunity to wrap up the championship very soon, then Mr. Webber will get the preferential treatment to secure 2nd in the championship and help with the Constructor's title.

 

NO

And the points excuse is a bunch of BS. Vettel could take the next three races off, and come back still leading the championship. And RBR has a similar sized lead in the constructors championship.

Mark can rationalize all he wants. The German driver is #1 in the Austrian team!

 

Illustrious company to be in indeed, congrats Alonso!

 

The *reason* behind the ambulance shortage was treated a bit callously...

_Dave_

 

Interesting....

Raikkonen to replace Webber at Red Bull? — Autoblog

 

Now they're just messing with us