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  1. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

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    #811 minimark, Sep 11, 2011
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    As always success of this magnitude is a convergence of talent occupying the same place in space and time... ;)
     
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    Please, forgive the illiteracy of my previous post. I think one of the spell checkers went rogue on me.

    And yes, convergence is a factor. I think that was very much hinted at in the Senna documentary when they were discussing that one of the marks of a great driver was picking a winning/competitive team.
     
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    minimark Well-Known Member

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    That goes both ways..

    But don't you think it goes deeper than that? Convergence of the right driving skills, technology, personalities, etc., when the sum of the whole is greater than the some of the parts?

    2 + 2 = 5?
     
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    Oh, absolutely. Look at Alonso experiment at McLearen. Given a best driver, team and an engineer, there is still a pinch of the magic potion that brings it all together that everyone is still trying to bottle consistently.
     
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    minimark Well-Known Member

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    Couldn't a set of rules also be part of that convergence?

    A particular drivers, engineers, etc's talents and the technology a team possesses, may be magic under one set of rules and with another set, their combined efforts might merely be mediocre.....
     
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    #817 minimark, Sep 12, 2011
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    The "winning" team since there have been rules, has always been the team who best exploits the rule book, be it F1, NASCAR or at the local go cart track... Read: "The Unfair Advantage".

    The observations on the societal differences are very interesting too. But one could hardly refer to F1 as being Socialistic nor Democratic; it is by all definitions a Dictatorship, ruled by the great Bernie...

    Also find it interesting that here in America the most conservative, God fearing bunch of fans and the sanctioning bodies as a whole, want everyone to have the "opportunity" to win. Hardly sounds like a bunch of SOBs does it?

    But that is a whole another ball of wax and another thread... lol
     
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    Daimler CEO Zetsche: Formula One ‘not going satisfactorily’

    STUTTGART - Daimler CEO Dieter Zetsche isn't satisfied with the results of the Mercedes-Benz GP Formula One Team and its drivers Michael Schumacher and Nico Rosberg.

    "Things are not going satisfactorily for the second season with the new team," Zetsche said in an interview with Automotive News Europe. "The hoped-for improvements have not been realized. But you can’t force it."

    Zetsche said he is confident that the team will win races and said Daimler's Formula One strategy will not be changed.

    He said: "Formula One has a huge presence, especially in all the important growth markets. It’s clear that a presence alone doesn’t go far enough but has to be demonstrated positively, with cars capable of winning. We have staying power."

    Source - Automotive News Euroupe
     
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    I would never suggest for a moment that the US attitude was 'socialist', just business-oriented - the fans like to see lots of competition at the front and so it's good business to 'design' a spectator sport to deliver that. In contrast, we Yurpeens tend to get a bit high and mighty about the purity of sporting competition particularly at the top of the motorsport pyramid.

    Intentionally interfering with a sporting event to make it more interesting for spectators tends to get frowned upon here, particularly by older gents in blazers - that was a common criticism of the pace/safety car idea when that was imported from the US into F1, as it was feared that it would get used for this purpose.

    Now we have gone some way the other way - touring cars get 'success ballast' to intentionally stop successful teams from running away with race series, and the second race of a two-race day uses a reverse grid for the top ten - in Britain, we even have a lottery-style draw to pick how many of the front cars get reverse-gridded!

    I've still never got over my first (ice) hockey game when my Canuckian friend pointed out one break in the play was to allow the TV station to fit some ads into their broadcast....
     
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    #820 minimark, Sep 12, 2011
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    To the contrary I never took it at all that you were suggesting that our racing was Socialistic.

    Yes in the quest for equality and a good show we can muck with the rules too much. Think we call that professional wrestling...lol

    Being one that doesn't think a teams hard work should be taken away lightly, so that those that haven't can have success too..... I find it to be a bit of a metaphor for what we are going through socially, don't you think?

    Seb and Red Bull have put in the work to succeed the way they are and they should be congratulated for it!!
     
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    Renault Impose October Deadline For Kubica Return (formula-one.speedtv.com)
     
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    He also needs the rest of this month and the next to see how B.Senna is going to pan out - so far he looks pretty darn good, and seems to be faster than Petrov. However, they need Petrov's sponsorship, so I doubt he's going anywhere...........and if Senna the B. does really well the rest of the season, it may come down to how much $$$ the drivers can bring to the team, and poor Bob could find himself looking for a drive. The silly season will start very soon....
     
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    Red Bull Racing Shows Texas Some Real Horsepower

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WRpB1utQXQ]Red Bull Racing Shows Texas Some Real Horsepower - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    I figured they would do something with all that footage they collected. Not a bad film once I get past the "what a terrible way to treat an F1 car!" hurdle. :D

    They could have cut half that crap at the front though IMHO...
     
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    Ya gotta love the slow mo of the bull sticking his tongue in his nose!
     
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    I think I could have lived without that bit, esp. the sound of the bull sticking his tongue in his nose... :prrr:
     
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    Vettel ran only one flying lap in Q3 with which he took pole by nearly a half second, then he said he could have done better.

    Would be an ominous sign for competitors but at this point it's nothing new and no one expects to catch him up anyway. Good thing the next few guys already figure they're racing for 2nd...
     
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    The remaining field

    "Good thing the next few guys already figure they're racing for 2nd... "

    and third and fourth...that battle truly rages.
     
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    #830 minimark, Sep 25, 2011
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    * DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT RACE RESULTS*


    Webster's dictionary adding new word:

    Vettel (vet-tul) 1. To dominate, a master. 2. to rule or control by superior power or influence. 3. to tower over; rise high above.

    ...as for the race for second; Button showed true seasoning, while extracting everything his car had and not one bit more as he brought it home in second place. Weber need never consider a second career in NHRA but still finished the podium off with a solid third whilst Alonso and the Scuderia's lack of improvement continued....

    Hats off to Hamilton for passing the most cars of anyone else, problem is he wouldn't have had to if he would retrieve his head from his bottom end and get the correct amount of oxygen to it.....

    Over all a fun race at the breathtaking venue Singapore is!!!

    Did I mention Vettel and Red Bull dominated again? :)
     
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    So much for watching it later on the DVR