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    #917 Steve, Oct 28, 2011
    Do you suppose that's paint coming up or improperly cured concrete flaking? I figure it's the former but given the last minute construction, etc, anything is possible...
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    #918 Minidave, Oct 29, 2011
    Wow! New track, old track, red track, blue track, it just doesn't matter...the juggernaut rolls on.....Vettel on pole by almost a half second, same as it ever was!

    With the Hamster penalized to 5th place, that puts teammate Mock Webba next to him for yet another Red Bull front line. Hope Webba gets a betta start than his usual, if he can legitimately get in front of Sebass on the start, Seb can protect his butt and they can go 1-2, getting Mock closer to 2nd place in the driver's championship.

    But I bet that doesn't happen......
     
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    #919 minimark, Oct 29, 2011
    Would not be my greatest surprise if Webber were able to eek out a victory this weekend... ;)
     
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    #920 Steve, Oct 29, 2011
    Never mind how Webber will finish, given his start record this year it's reasonable to wonder how many positions he'll lose before the first corner.

    Also, my guess is if Vettel helps at all -- not sure I think he will -- it won't be by trying to let Webber lead into turn 1 so he can then hold up the rest of the field while Webber runs away.
     
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    #921 minimark, Oct 29, 2011
    Webber will get the lead during the race not the start....and only if he can get it up to second. If he falls back too far, Seb ain't waiting on him....

    What ya think?
     
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    #922 goaljnky, Oct 29, 2011
    I think as long as a chance to tie Schumi's 13 is still alive, it is up to Webbuh to make his own bones.
     
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    #923 minimark, Oct 29, 2011
    Good point, hadn't thought of that...
     
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    #924 Steve, Oct 29, 2011
    Webber claims he wants no help and I think that's how much he'll get. Off the track he's focused on fighting for more points than Hamilton, Button and Alonso, on the track he's focused on racing. Good on him. :Thumbsup:
     
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    #925 Angib, Oct 30, 2011
    Fascinating F1 paddock gossip: Ferrari has had problems with its new front wing 'fluttering'. They seem to be learning how to make the wing pass the stiffness test during scrutineering and yet still have the wing flex so that it gets added downforce at speed - something it is rumoured that Red Bull have perfected.

    It's an amazing coincidence that Ferrari brought this new wing to India having just developed it themselves - when Mark Webber's Red Bull crashed in Italy last month, the car's front wing somehow got 'lost' and wasn't amongst the wreckage returned to Red Bull.

    Presumably some tifoso (a Ferrari fan) has been lucky enough to pick up the 'discarded' Red Bull front wing and walk out of the Monza circuit with it under his jacket (some jacket...) as a stylish new wall decoration for this home. And presumably he invited his new friend from the Ferrari aerodynamics department round for dinner to admire the new decoration.

    Of course you might think that a loyal tifoso would just drive up to Ferrari's headquarters and drop off the wing - but then surely Ferrari would have just given it back to Red Bull.

    Wouldn't they? :biggrin5:
     
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    #926 Steve, Oct 30, 2011
    FWIW, the race is scheduled to be re-broadcast in the US on Speed at 3PM eastern.
     
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    #927 Steve, Oct 30, 2011
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    I'm sure the timing is purely coincidental. :wink:

    In fact, it may just be a coincidence, we'll never know for sure. Regardless, I wonder whether the thing is more trouble than its worth. Was Alonso running the "flutter" wing or was it just Massa? The Speed commentators were pushing the severe oscillation as likely weakening Massa's suspension. I personally think his problem stemmed from the way he was hitting those orange anti-cutting curbs much more directly end-on than other drivers but I suppose it could be one effect exacerbating the other.
     
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    #928 minimark, Oct 30, 2011
    * WARNING CONTAINS RACE RESULTS*



    Vettel atop the podium for his 11th victory this season.....

    Button wins the race for second with Alonso holding off a charging Webber for the third and final spot on the podium!!

    Vettel + Red Bull = complete domination.
     
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    #929 Steve, Oct 30, 2011
    I saw Heikki Kovalainen running in 10th place for a few laps! I wonder how long it's been since he's been up there.
     
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    #930 Steve, Oct 31, 2011
    Christian Horner on Seb Vettel's ongoing desire for fastest laps - and why only a cow on track would stop him...

    Red Bull says Vettel is not taking risks chasing fastest race laps (autosport.com)
     
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    #931 Steve, Oct 31, 2011
    So, Massa and Hamilton collided again. This time Massa was penalized. Any opinions? I think the stewards were right at least in that Hamilton wasn't solely to blame this time. Not sure either deserved a penalty but if I had to choose one I would have given it to Massa...I think. (FWIW, Johnny Herbert was the driver steward this round)

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvx5cj9_xPo]Felipe Massa Lewis Hamilton Accident Incident Crash - SKY - F1 2011 - Round 17 - India - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    #932 goaljnky, Oct 31, 2011
    I have no arguments with that one. He left the door open, Hammi took the shot. Not that I am in the same league, but I would have tried exact same pass. It does not get any more basic than under braking into a corner. Racing 101.
     
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    #933 minimark, Oct 31, 2011
    Just racing, no penalty. 2cents
     
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    #934 Angib, Oct 31, 2011
    We Brits are spoiled with BBC F1 coverage, having F1 ex-drivers Brundle and Coulthard as commentators, aren't we? To start with, they hummed and hawed over the instant replays - though their discussion was whether or not Hamilton would get penalised - until there was a head-on shot that showed Massa turning his head to look at Hamilton, and then turning his car into him. As soon as they saw that, they put Massa in the wrong.
     
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    #935 Steve, Oct 31, 2011
    I didn't see that view, I imagine the stewards did though. If Massa knew where Hamilton was then he also knew what would happen if he cut to the apex, and he went for it anyway.
     
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    #936 Steve, Oct 31, 2011
    I've looked at a few videos and can't find anything that makes this clear. Look at the third view on this one. Though Hamilton went deeper into the corner at first, he clearly was braking harder than Massa for an instant. Depending on which instant in time Massa looked over I suppose he could have thought Hamilton had abandoned the pass and was backing out of it, thus ceding the line.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nRX8hLOC60]Felipe Crashes into Lewis Hamilton India 2011- BBC - F1 2011 - Round 17 - India - YouTube[/ame]

    I assume the stewards had more and better views than we'll ever see and as always it's a judgment call in the end on their part. It was an opportunistic (though reasonable, IMHO) move by Hamilton -- that's what racers do -- while Massa stuck like glue to what seemed to be the ideal racing line -- ditto. I don't think I want to be a steward...
     
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