OK to talk about it yet? :biggrin5:
Alonso really ran a masterful race, he looked a lot like Vettel did last year....get just far enough in front to keep them from using their DRS on you, stay in clean air and out of trouble and roll to the end.
I'm sure everyone was just waiting for the Ferrari's tires to go off and see him drop back thru the order, but it didn't happen!
Alonso may be on his way to this third driver's championship, but Massa is killing them for the constructor's, isn't he? And it's the Constructor's that pays all the money, not the driver's championship....
I was surprised that Webbo couldn't come forward after qualifying third, wonder why?
Oh well, on to the Hungaroring this weekend.
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
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Highligt to read, spoilers in post.
Though this trick won't work for Tapatalk....
That ending was a bit odd though, I'm not sure about the ruling for Vettle's penalty. He would have passed anyway, if he had waited. I think 20 seconds might be a bit excessive.
Though on the other hand, if the controversy of Red Bull's engine mapping is correct (in that they've managed to finagle a kind of traction control system within the letter of the law) then that's exactly the situation where it would have helped, since he passed Button on the paint, which has far less traction available than tarmac.
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
I totally agree with the mapping issue. Button actually left rubber down as he tried to match Vettel's acceleration out of that turn. And I do think the penalty was adequate.
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Crashton Club Coordinator
That turn 6 pass made by Vettel was very telling. Vettel on the paint & he out accelerates Button who is spinning tires on the asphalt. That was pretty stupid on Vettel's part. Button could have been passed easily at that stage in the race. No reason to do it there that way. I figure Vettel got off lucky only to lose a couple spots via the penalty.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Well, we're obviously past the need for spoiler alerts at this point; the cows have already left the barn, so to speak. Sorry to anyone still waiting to watch the race on DVR or a re-broadcast.
I think it would do no harm to set a suggested guideline for use in these threads on M/A so we don't need to sit at the keyboard wondering if we've waited long enough. Obviously no "punishment" for not following (or just forgetting to do so), but how about a 24-hour post-broadcast moratorium? Comment before that with either zero substantive details or a clear spoiler alert, fair game after. -
Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Here's Vettel's spin on that pass:
Vettel: The move showed respect for Button (GPUpdate.net)
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You are correct...Tapatalk and other mobile readers will ignore that tag
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
The "catch" here doesn't surprise me. If I was going to cover all costs, I would expect the same. My guess is Bernie figures the F1 race has nothing to do with the reason the 'Ring is bankrupt and that the event always makes a profit. He also probably knows there's greater television interest in F1 on that particular track so there are greater revenues there as well. Anyone who thinks he cares one tiny iota about helping the locals needs to take off the rose colored glasses and look again.
Bernie Ecclestone Offers to Help the Nurburgring (AutoGuide.com)
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We've had the gravel traps and if you go off the wrong way you are going ass over teacups, hence the move to replace gravel with the newer paved areas.
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Crashton Club Coordinator
Making the tracks safer is the right thing to do. Gravel traps while better than some earlier solutions can cause things to go wrong in a very bad way. They work, but are not the right solution in every instance. Remember when catch fencing was considered the ultimate in trackside protection? :frown2:
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Perhaps so, I bring it up due to this quote:
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Crashton Club Coordinator
I agree with that. As long as they punish the rules breakers even the dumbest one will figure it out pretty darned quick. Better that than having the trackside more dangerous to discourage such moves. As safe as this sport is these days it is still hella dangerous.
Back in the old days foolish moves were often paid for with drivers lives. I like things much better now.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
There's no need to go back to dangerous track layouts to keep people from doing unsportsmanlike things like using the safe run-off areas to gain competitive advantage. Those run-off areas aren't exactly brand new but new ways to abuse them are found occasionally. When this happens, a new rule is written or an existing rule modified; this particular rule is very simple to understand and there's no gray area. As long as those who break it are held accountable with punishment that fits the "crime," so to speak, I say all good.
In this case I don't know whether the gain of competitive advantage is technically the issue like it is when you cut a chicane, it may not even be mentioned in this particular rule. He drove with all four wheels outside the track line, that's the rule broken here. It happens plenty with no penalty applied but it looks like the reason it was enforced this time is because he gained a competitive advantage in the process -- he passed Button -- so the stewards decided to enforce the rule.
Vettel knows the rule and he knew full well at the time that he was completely off the track. That means, though he doesn't want to admit it, he knew at the time that he'd broken the rule and he obviously also knew that he'd passed someone as a result. I don't know whether he would have been OK if he'd given the position back to Button (like you have to do if you gain by cutting a chicane, sounds right but might not be the same sort of rule).
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^Exactly.
...and if rolls were reversed, Button would be crying that he didn't do anything wrong. The rules worked, they were broken, penalty assessed, no need to change a thing, move on to the next race.
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goaljnky New Member
I'm curious why Vettle did not give the position back to at least have one more shot at a clean pass. Ain't hind site great?
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Me thinks it is not in a drivers nature to give back a spot they worked all race long to get. All Vettel was thinking is finally got him. Once his team told him that Jenson was yelling to the FIA it was too late to give the place back. At least that is my take.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Sorry for the apparent re-post but this is the HQ version.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVGXoFO1znM]McLAREN - TOONED Episode 2 SLICKS (HD) - YouTube[/ame] -
I love those animated shorts
If you want to see the real life inside of McLaren, along with the actual drivers, there's this.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOHQKCILqdM[/ame]
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