NA V8s for the win!
So many reasons but I like the reliability of the V8, and if F1 were to drop the amount of fuel a little, that could lead to advancements in fuel economy much more that going with smaller motors and slapping turbos on them...
Sticking with one motor package over the long run, reduces cost for all teams but really helps smaller up and comers.
And I totally agree with Ferrari, a four cylinder or even a six cylinder motor does not relate to their product line period. As a company, that would make the reasons to race in F1 even smaller, leaving them to look elsewhere to invest their efforts.
The formula now, through intelligent design or dumb luck, has produced one of, if not the most competitive F1 season in years. Let it stand.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Though a shock and a surprise to everyone who knows anything about Ferrari, there's going to be a Ferrari-engineered V6 (supercharged) option for the next gen (2013) Maserati Quattroporte. "... from the same group in Maranello that is heading up development of Ferrari’s new Formula 1 engine ..." And they're even touting its fuel efficiency! That's right, Ferrari pushing an admittedly Ferrari-engineered 6cyl engine as a fuel efficient option to a standard V8! Apparently the same engine is likely to make its way into the Alfa brand.
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....as to true Ferrari-ist, a Dino is not.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
I like the V8s, and the old V10s and V12s for that matter. I'm just trying to explain the logic used by particular individuals, plus I think Ferrari admitting they're marketing ANY product with just 6 cylinders is worth noting. The fact it's an engine, of all things, is remarkable! IMHO
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
Ferrari has built 4 cyl engines, and did put them in their cars back in the early 50's, so that's not exactly a genuine excuse. As to the future, I would not be a bit surprised to see twin turbo 4 cyls in Ferraris - BMW and MBZ already run them, even in some of their bigger chassis. If fuel keeps getting more and more dear, it may be the only way that makes sense.
I was all for the 4 cyl turbo F1 car - after all, BMW made 1100 hp with theirs!
I could then see more of a case for other engine makers to join the fray - Hyundai, Toyota, lots of mfr's make 4's and the trickle down effect could be direct - as long as they didn't allow pneumatic valve actuation. I don't see 20K RPM engines ever making it to street cars. -
Yea I know they did way back then but Enzo always had a boner for the 12s and 8s, and in a Ferrari I agree.
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Grand Prix Insights - Helmet
Nico Rosberg, Formula One driver at Mercedes AMG Petronas, travels back in time. Not long ago, Formula One drivers only wore leather caps. The development over the past decades has been stunning. Today's helmets are state-of-the-art technology.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQN5ote_II&hd=1]F1 2012 - Grand Prix Insights - Helmet - YouTube[/ame] -
Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Resurfacing and new drainage at Suzuka (GPUpdate.com)
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Put a Fork in Him...he's Done
SUZUKA, Japan (AP) — Michael Schumacher is retiring from Formula One racing again — and this time, he says, "it might be forever."
Unable to duplicate the success of his prime, the seven-time F1 champion announced Thursday he will retire at the end of the season, bringing an end to the most decorated career the sport has seen.
Though Mercedes had announced last week that Schumacher would be replaced by Lewis Hamilton next season, there had been speculation the 43-year-old German could move to Sauber. He instead chose to end his career.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Now that Hamilton is on his way out I wonder whether there'll be any more episodes of Tooned. Will we see a Sergio character?
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
McLaren Tooned, Ep7. I think they're slipping a bit.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAkepZPrFYs]Sky Sports Formula 1 2012 - Tooned - Episode 7: The Rising Son - YouTube[/ame] -
No Japanese GP discussion or are we waiting for everyone to catch up on the DVR use.
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Missed it and didn't set the record so any comments would just be from what I have read....
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Missed it so any comments would be just from what I have read....
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
I watched it but as you say, I didn't want to spoil it for those who hadn't, so.....
I think this race had major implications for this year's championship, and that Red Bull have finally tipped their hand. Vettel's car was absolutely perfectly set up for this track, he had his usual .5 sec over the rest of the field, and as long as he made it thru the first lap he was pretty much set for a 2011- esque race - which is exactly what happened.
Alonso, OTOH, was struggling mightily all weekend long with the Ferrari's handling and unless they come up with some pretty impressive mods in the coming weeks, I think this year's championship race is over.
Truthfully, at this point the only way third place Kimi has a shot is if Alonso and Vettel take each other out and he wins a few, and I don't see that happening.
So it's a two horse race from here on, and my money's on Vettel to three-peat. I'm not suggesting Alonso's giving up, but that Red Bull have hit their stride and Ferrari peaked a few races ago.
So what of the Hamster and Mercedes? I'm beginning to think that Ross is pulling another "Braun" - that he's stopped developement work on the current car long ago in favor of next year's ride and this season is nothing but a giant test; and next year's car will be head and shoulder's above everyone else's and run away the first half of the season. I think Hammy's in on the secret and that's why he jumped from Big Mac to what everyone thinks is not a winning team.
Pez showed why he was not on Ferrari's short list of drivers for this season, he's just not "seasoned" enough yet and still makes dumb mistakes, but the raw talent is there and I think Big Mac could be a good disciplinarian and teach him how to win as well as just finish.
And what of RoGro? Many driver's think he should sit out a few more races now, as he clearly has not learned his lesson.
The silly season is about to go into full swing, and there will be a lot of drivers looking for seats in the next few weeks, it will be interesting to see who lands where, but one driver I think may have rescued his drive is Massa. After a terrible start to the year, he's showing good form and earning points for the team, he's also a dedicated #2 and won't be a threat to Alonso's status in the team, so I think Ferrari may do what was almost unthinkable 2 months ago and keep him for 2013. -
Yeah, I really do think Massa's drive in the Japanese GP bought him another year at Ferrari.
He knows he's #2 and he seems to be comfortable in that role.
He knows the system there and they know him, why bring in a new driver to upset that apple cart at this time. Besides, who is out there that doesn't have a seat that they would want to look at anyway.
Alonso gave Massa his stamp of approval for 2013 too.
I think it was Bob Varsha that said " Whats so bad having to drive for Ferrari" too.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
It was a pretty good sign of how low my expectations are these days for Massa when I was more surprised to see Massa 2nd than Kobayashi 3rd. I expect consistent top 10 finishes from him but not on the podium. I'll agree with Nathan, I think Massa is likely to stay on at Ferrari.
On the other hand, I would have said that before this strong finish. Alonso doesn't want competition from his teammate, he wants someone who will score points for the team championship (simultaneously eliminating those points from other drivers' totals) without taking points away from his own driver championship bid.
That's no surprise, every driver wants to see his teammate finish behind him, but Alonso expects it. When asked to describe his ideal teammate a while back he used the word respect. As in, someone who understands his place on the team and (reading the blatant implication between the lines) respects Alonso's status. The team know what he's worth and want him happy.
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