I think all of us here love racing. Nascrap as long as it is on a road course. :wink: Ovals in any form do little for this old guy. Different strokes.![]()
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mrntd Well-Known MemberSupporting Member
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I just have trouble seeing Kimi and Alonzo as well working team mates. Who would absorb the Ferrari bad luck. It's always been the number 2 driver.
I like Massa but I think Hulkenburg would be faster.-
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
I had the very distint pleasure in meeting both Mario and Micheal at the Portland CART race the weekend that Mario beat Micheal on Father's day 1986.
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I wonder if Ferrari waited to long to get Alonso on some fresh tires.
If he'd have been closer and hounding Seb possibly the transmission might have gone south. Then again Webba was not holding back like the team wanted him to, so the transmission thing may have been a red herring.-
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Why all the Vettel hate?
I do not understand this, I see it on other boards too.......
What did he do in this race to deserve the Boos?
He was fast all weekend, he got a good start and did what he does best which is put time between himself and everyone else on cold tires.
At least he didn't have to rely on team orders to pass his teammate.-
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goaljnky New Member
I know we are going off topic, but the math on that just fails me. The winds were at 24 +/- knots. How the hell are they managing 45+? I know there was a story a few months ago about some guy inventing some thing that did something like that even more efficiently on land, but I just could not grasp the physics of it.
Although, I have to be honest. I would prefer to see them go back to single hulls. I loved seeing those big spinnakers and all the teamwork required to get them up and down during all those up and downwind legs.-
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
The same thing happens with fabric sails, but the solid ones are more efficient.
And as far as Vettel's driving - many people do say it's just the fact that he has the best car, but if that were true would Mercedes have won three time this year? would they have 6 poles?
And why is it that their more experienced driver has half of the points Vettel does, in the exact same car?
I think he makes the most of what he has, just like Alonso does....but again, Alonso would have been third or even 4th if his teammate hadn't let him by. Vettel gets no such considerations from his "teammate".....
On top of that, the booing is just poor sportsmanship.-
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David Coulthard's weekly BBC column is a good read.
BBC Sport - Sebastian Vettel earns starring F1 role - David Coulthard column-
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It's like when Schumi took out Hill. That was said over and over again for years. But everyone forgot Prost and Senna taking each other out in back to back years.
Crashton is right that Vettel is young and hasn't learned the finesse. He may never learn it. Does Kimi really have the off track finesse?
Vettel is a very good driver in a very good car. The perfect combination. Just like Schumi and Ferrari, Senna and McLaren, Mansel and Williams.
Red Bull may not be your team. Vettel may not be your driver. But you have to respect them for what they have achieved. I have more respect for Hamilton after seeing what he can do at Merc. He just isn't consistent doing it.
Some may think it boring with the same guy winning but it still better than NASCAR.-
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Massa was driving his Ferrari too fast. Not on the track, but on the way to it.
Massa was given a $214 speeding ticket by Italian police on his way to last weekend’s Italian Grand Prix race for exceeding the speed limit in his silver Ferrari 458.-
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I think that fire was extinguished back in Hungary when that spring hit Massa.
After that he did show flashes of brilliance, but no consistency.-
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