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Something......but yea that sounds good.

 

Why? I think it's great and shows teams that can really work together. There is too much "manufactured" everything in F1 already

 

They need to use 4 MINI specific lug bolts. That'll slow them down. :lol:

I agree with Nick it shows who is the best, no need to change a thing. The best rise to the top.

 

My first concern is a safety one. Look what Hammy did by pulling into the Mac pit.....what if they hadn't been as ready as they were and he hit someones.

The other is to simply add a bit more drama to the races. Right now the stops are so quick there is very little time lost, so if any positions are lost they are a lot fewer than if the stop had been longer. More passes have to be made with a longer stop. And even better, allow refueling W/O the pressurized systems of past.

 

I agree, no refueling please.....

But I also think the 2 sec pitstops are taking away from the race, the simplest way to remedy that is to limit the number of guys over the wall, then it becomes a real challenge of their ability to choreograph and successfully complete their work.

But I have to give it to the Red Bull boys, they're amazing, and they rarely make a mistake.

 

Seems like an active suspension to me, but I'm just a spectator. As far as a spending war, it has been raging for years.

 

Wow! Shades of old mini tech!

Hydrolastic suspension lives!

 

Some info on the FRIC.....


That perfect ride: The must-have technical device of 2013James Allen on F1

 

Hmmm, front rear interconnected suspension..
That sounds familiar to me:

Unfortunately, mine's definitely active suspension and would fall afoul of the rules..

 

Classis Mini's had interconnected front and rear suspension - it was called hydrolastic.....MG 1100's and Austin america's also used it.

 

Yes, but the classic mini's hyrdrolastic system only offered the car-levelling when going over bumps, as in the main picture of the Citroen article. Citroen linked theirs with the braking system as well, allowing the rear of the car to drop further the harder you braked, cancelling out the forward pitch of the car when braking and keeping it perfectly level.
It sounds like the f1 gurus are carrying this idea out a bit further, with the hydraulics fighting body roll instead of allowing it as the mini hydrolastic did.
The Moulton hydrolastic/hydragas systems were modified for competition use by over pressurizing at first, to make a more rigid ride, then by lowering the pressure and fitting hydro-specific competition bump stops that were longer and hollow so they spent much of their cornering, braking, and acceleration time functioning just like a regular dry suspension car, on little rubber cones....
I'll be fascinated to see how the f1 engineers manage to keep their passive systems level against pitch and roll and yet light enough to not cause a performance disadvantage.

 

Interesting indeed......

 

I am very familiar with the Citroen suspension system, since I worked at a Citroen dealership as a mechanic and have owned several of them myself.

I was not trying to say that they were the same, only that they were similar in concept - hydraulically interconnected front and rear suspension , since no one uses anything like that today (I know there are some air suspensions still around, my Audi Allroad has one such).

I also am interested to know how they are doing it exactly, and if the extra weight and complexity of the system is worth the effort. Time will answer that of course.

 

I thought the show-stopper was a Lotus film (I'm sure this was before video...) of a car cornering and running its outside wheels over a brick - pretty much the limit of suspension travel, but it kept cornering.

But the FRIC they are talking about is a lot less than active suspension, which was really mind-bending in its effect.

 

Very nice!

 

This is going to be very interesting tomorrow on strategy with tires. And did Red Bull let Webber down again?

 

I'm wondering if the team did what they had to in order to keep their drivers separated... Hmmm

 

It was apparently a problem with the fuel bowser, which has been quarantined.

As for the tire issues, I really don't have a problem with it. This is a sport, and one thing that needs to be present in sport is some kind of challenge. Pirelli could make great tires that lasted all race if they wanted to, but that would be pretty boring to watch. The teams and the drivers have to have some kind of challenge to overcome, otherwise it'd just be precession after precession.

I want to watch a race, with a story that evolves as the cars run, not a parade. Besides, so far the only team to really complain loudly and consistently about the tires is Red Bull, which makes them sound like crybabies to me. They need to work with what they have, overcome the obstacle, and do their best. Crying about how the tire doesn't suit their car or their drivers just smacks of a spoiled brat whining that he's suddenly being treated fairly.

On the other hand, I think the other teams sounded like crybabies about the whole blown diffuser thing that Red Bull had. They should have stepped up and made that thing work for themselves instead of whining until the blown diffuser got outlawed.

/My 2¢ - No offense intended to anyone who thinks differently about this topic. It's F1, if we weren't polarized about something in the sport, we wouldn't be good fans now, would we?

 

Good points all......

This will be a race of strategy, no doubt.

What the heck is a fuel bowser? I've never heard that term before till Horner used it in the interview. Must be an accumulator or something?

I do find it interesting how people can "hate" a driver that they've never met and have only seen on (edited) TV and other media.

I speculated all last season that Mercedes was just treading water on their 2012 effort and that the 2013 car would be another "Brawn", and when Lewis jumped teams it made it seem even more likely that they would have a competetive ride for him this year. Nice to see that Lewis can fight for poles and wins this year, should be interesting to see him and Vettel duke it out.

This season has all the earmarks of being a corker. Lotus is much stronger, Mercedes is in the hunt, Red Bull is in great form as usual, Ferrari is strong with both drivers, and while Big Mac seems to have lost the plot a bit, they always come on strong by the end of the season.......it's going to be fun to see what happens!