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  1. Zapski

    Zapski Well-Known Member

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    Obviously that's the result of a plot by the FIA against Red Bull who must be superior in all things. Clearly the presence of wheels on his Sauber was unfair, and in the future all F1 cars must run without wheels except Red Bull. Red Bull is also considering an injunction against fueling the other teams, and making all their drivers stand in corners with bags on their heads for the duration of the race.
     
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    Ferrari are the usual group crying foul and looking askance at everything. Nice to see another team step up into that breech.
     
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    Here's Paul Hembery of Pirelli on the race.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzTuhnmBeZ8&feature=player_embedded]Paul Hembery on the 2013 Spanish Grand Prix - YouTube[/ame]

    He does say that they will be making some changes for Silverstone, but he also mentions that any changes made that are seen to favor Red Bull will be met with criticism from the other teams.

    They're really in a darned if you do, darned if you don't situation.

    Also, Sauber set the fastest lap times on both the option and the primes this race.
     
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    Before the season all the teams were allowed to do a bit of testing on the new tires and got physical and performance specs as provided by Pirelli. They all built cars based on that info. As happens every season, some hit the ground closer to the mark than others. Red Bull missed, though not by much, with a car they claim is better than the tires. Translation: They built their car based on an expectation of better (read more durable) tires. Whether they did so because of wishful thinking or miscalculation we'll never know.

    Fortunately for them, there's a convenient bandwagon for them to jump on provided by all those complaining about the tires having an artificial affect on the racing. Don't forget, there were at least a few other teams complaining as well very early on but -- and I suspect this is because they sense Red Bull would benefit most and start running away again -- they've all become silent, leaving Red Bull as the lone consistent and vocal complainer.

    The lone complaining team, that is. There are still drivers wishing things would change, though I suspect they've been largely silenced by team politics, and plenty of others griping outside the paddock. For example, Martin Brundle:

    Enough is enough. Pirelli have to change their tyres after a race bordering on a farce (skysports.com)
     
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    You guys do know that there is always just one team and driver truly happy at the end of a race...everyone else is left to make excuses why they got beat, why their performance wasn't good enough...and to a one, it is hardly ever because they missed the setup..;)

    Tis never my fault I sucked.:mad:
     
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    I'll second that. Re his "bigger concern" I read a similar comment about failures today from Heikki Kovalainen. There's definitely a growing camp that says, leave the performance pretty much as-is until next year but fix the basic construction or whatever it takes to cut down on the catastrophic failures.
     
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    Ecclestone: We've invested in New Jersey GP (Racer.com)
     
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    As for the tire issue. Remember when Ferrari was dominating? What did F1 do? They kept changing the tire rules until Ferrari weren't winning all the time. Same thing is happening to Red Bull. It is what happens in F1 if you do too well.

    I'll be surprised if NJ happens. It just seems like too much is and will get in the way. F1 at Long Beach? How are they going to deal with the noise regulations? F1 cars are a lot louder. I just have a tough time seeing any country with more than 1 race since Bernie wants to keep adding more.
     
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    If it weren't for Alonso we would be having the conversation in reverse, because Kimi, running a tire saving strategy, would have won the race while beating Massa who was running the same strategy that Alonso did...

    This is competitive racing, more than one way to win, next race Kimi's strategy might be the winning one..

    Leave the tires alone.
     
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    #495 Zapski, May 14, 2013
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    I kind of wish it didn't go that way; changing the rules to hinder one team. But winning = more prize money = more development for the car = more winning, a vicious cycle. The other teams don't pull in as much money, so they can't develop the car to the same extent as the winning team, so they can't win.

    It's annoying, but I see the reason for the rules changes. The only way around that kind of thing would be to put extreme spending caps on all the teams that could never really be enforced (yes there are spending caps, but I'm thinking that there'd need to be much tighter ones), or to turn it into a spec car race, which would ruin it for good.

    Besides, can you imagine telling Ferrari that they'll have to build on Caterham's budget? Or McLaren? Geez, McLaren seems like they could put their cars in space if they felt like it (this season notwithstanding - what a mess they've got themselves into this year!).
     
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    For better or worse, they're going through with it, and they're moving it up one race. Pirelli have consistently stated the goal given to them was to match the tire performance as seen in Montreal (in 2012? can't remember that detail) so I'm guessing that's why they've decided they need to get it "right" for Canada.

    Pirelli to introduce revised tyres from Canada onwards (formula1.com)
     
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    I smell MB.
     
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    I agree, a good read. :Thumbsup: Buxton seems to be maturing a bit as a journo. I still like him much better via text, though (i.e., edited), than behind a microphone.
     
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    Alonso said he drove most of the race at only 90%.....

    Do you believe him?

    Maybe a bit of gamesmanship going on here?

    Will seems to think he was going 101% the whole race, or at least till the very last couple of laps.....

    F1 is a mess these days..... it's so close to a spec series that it isn't funny, and the forced competetiveness strangles invention at every turn. At the same time it rakes in more money than ever......I think that's mostly because nothing else really challenges it.....there's nothing else (car racing wise) that's as well supported, publicized or commands the same amount of media attention as it does.

    Maybe Le Mans, but that's one race a year, same with Indy.

    I don't think it can continue much longer like this, in fact I think if Bernie steps down or dies, the whole thing may just collapse in on itself.
     
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    Yeah, well Bernie's days could soon be numbered.

    Full Story at Bernie Ecclestone’s future as F1 supremo may soon be decided - FT.com
     
  16. Zapski

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    #504 Zapski, May 14, 2013
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    GP2 and GP3 seem more like old F1 racing, sadly there's not a lot of coverage for that.

    I did watch Sky's coverage of the Bahrain race and it was pretty exciting. No pit stops, half the race length, and some good wheel to wheel racing. The tires are different too, and are designed to wear over the course of the whole race but not degrade to undrivability. The drivers do have to cope with less grip at the end, but not nearly to the same degree as in F1.

    I wish it was easier to watch more of those races.

    [edit = didn't realize the cars are all identical. Still, it was fun to watch the Bahrain race and I wouldn't mind seeing more]
     
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    Bernie until he dies.;)
     
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    That Kimi, always the life of the party...lol:cool:
     
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    Does any one remember Canada a few years ago when Schumi pushed hard, did 4 stops and won?

    It will be interesting to see if anyone just decides to go balls out and make the extra stops in Monaco.