That was great. Thanks Steve!
Can't wait for part 2.
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Crashton Club Coordinator
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Heh, that was good.
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That was good!!
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Webber's last day in the office.
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
That was very cool Nathan, thanks
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Crashton Club Coordinator
Yes he will. I'm glad he is going to other great 4 wheeled adventures.
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That video was great
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Stinker Active Member
I just hope he does better than other past F-1 drivers have done in other racing series.
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
I hope the series he'll be racing in doesn't use standing starts...either that or they'll need to get him a better giddyup button!
I don't understand why he could not get his car off the line, but almost every race he'd lose places at the start them have to drive his butt off trying to make them back up.
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
Very nice.....
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Vettel vs. Alonso
Now that the season is over the bench racing is in full swing.
Current F1 Drivers are split over who is really better.
Sure, Vettel has those 4 World Championships now, he's won 9 races in a row and 13 in a season.
But...is he really better than Alonso?
Take a look at the article below and then please come back and comment.
Sebastian Vettel vs. Fernando Alonso: Who's the best driver in Formula One? - Autoweek Racing F1 news - Autoweek -
Let's see...of the six drivers who went on record clearly favoring Alonso, three are friends from familiar Spanish-speaking countries (Perez, Gutierrez, and Maldonado), two have been perpetual 2013 bridesmaids with no love lost for Vettel (Webber and Hamilton) and would love nothing more than to get into his head, and the other (Kovalainen) has two whole F1 races {this year} to his credit -- hardly enough experience to form anything other than a subjective opinion.
Sounds like mostly personal alliances and sour grapes to me.
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Yes hard to compare. Obviously both are supremely talented. That being said I think Alonso's race craft is better. He got results from a car that was an underdog.
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I would most like to see Williams improve, though I would similarly like to see Caterham get in the $$$$$ in 2014. I'd personally love to see Mercedes and Force India fighting it out for 10th place, but that's unlikely. I have nothing against Sauber. Good team with potential. Someone needs to figure out a solution to ending Red bull domination.
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Just received an e-mail update from racer.com:
Pastor Maldonado to Lotus! I smell a Venezuelan money infusion.
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Thanks for the heads up. I was figuring that would happen, now confirmed.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
First of all I have to say I think this is yet another example of everyone pushing the gift-giving season way too early. That said...
Here's Jenson Button giving out what are supposedly secret Santa presents at what I think is a children's hospital. Note McLaren sponsor Santander are obviously involved, maybe trying to hook them while they're young? I also think it's funny (and maybe a little sad) that while he's there to give presents to the kids, the adults are doing all the smiling...the kids, not so much.
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Schumacher's take!
From motorsports:
Dec.2 (GMM) Michael Schumacher has described Mark Webber's performance alongside dominant world champion Sebastian Vettel this year as "shocking".
Schumacher, Vettel's German compatriot, mentor and friend, said that if any driver is going to beat his tally of 91 wins and seven world titles, he wants it to be the Red Bull star.
The 44-year-old said Vettel's performance in 2013 was particularly impressive.
"Look at his teammate, that's your reference point," Schumacher said.
"I mean, he (Vettel) won all those races, 13 this year I think. Mark Webber, if I'm right, won none in the end. That's pretty shocking.
"I'm glad I'm not his teammate," he smiled.
Meanwhile, as many in the paddock tip Mercedes to have an early advantage over the 2014 field with a superior V6 engine, Schumacher is not so sure.
He thinks Renault-powered Red Bull might continue to dominate.
"I think you shouldn't expect too many changes because of the (new) engine," the former Mercedes driver, and continuing ambassador for the marque, said.
"Aerodynamics always outplays the engine, and that will always be the case in the future," added Schumacher.
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Actually I read it as him saying that Vettel's performance was even more shocking because he was able to outpace Webber in a Red Bull... He was crediting Vettel with even more because of, not in spite of Webber's considerable talents...
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Bernie posed a similar question with a slightly different perspective.
"If by chance Sebastian [Vettel] wasn't there, would Red Bull have got the same results?"
I'm not certain what point he was angling toward and I honestly don't care -- it's Bernie, after all -- but it got me thinking about Red Bull's season.
Never mind how they would have done with Alonso instead of Vettel or Raikkonen instead of Vettel, etc. Given Webber won zero races this year (and yes, I'm choosing to gloss over the Multi-21 fiasco for the moment) and his best results were 5x 2nd place finishes while Vettel came 1st or 2nd 15x, was the Red Bull car itself actually as dramatically ahead of the crowd as credited?
Webber finished 3rd overall, 43 points behind Alonso but only 28 ahead of Rosberg in 6th.
Is Webber just a mid-pack driver (we never mention him when discussing which drivers are best/fastest) and the car helped him to 3rd? Or is Webber quick and the car just looks like it's dominant because Vettel is the best driver in F1?
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