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  1. mrntd

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    Why? I think it's great and shows teams that can really work together. There is too much "manufactured" everything in F1 already
     
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    They need to use 4 MINI specific lug bolts. That'll slow them down. :lol:

    I agree with Nick it shows who is the best, no need to change a thing. The best rise to the top.
     
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    The best could still rise to the top, even if they limited the number of people over the wall.....maybe do it like NASCAR, only 5 guys allowed over the wall at a time?
     
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    My first concern is a safety one. Look what Hammy did by pulling into the Mac pit.....what if they hadn't been as ready as they were and he hit someones.

    The other is to simply add a bit more drama to the races. Right now the stops are so quick there is very little time lost, so if any positions are lost they are a lot fewer than if the stop had been longer. More passes have to be made with a longer stop. And even better, allow refueling W/O the pressurized systems of past.
     
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    I for one do not want to see refueling. Even without being pressurized it's a huge risk.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot3U6pGA-jA]Fire in the Benneton F1 Pit - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    I agree, no refueling please.....

    But I also think the 2 sec pitstops are taking away from the race, the simplest way to remedy that is to limit the number of guys over the wall, then it becomes a real challenge of their ability to choreograph and successfully complete their work.

    But I have to give it to the Red Bull boys, they're amazing, and they rarely make a mistake.
     
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    I didn't even know they were working on this.

    Brawn doesn't fear suspension tech war (Racer.com)
     
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    Seems like an active suspension to me, but I'm just a spectator. As far as a spending war, it has been raging for years.
     
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    Wow! Shades of old mini tech!

    Hydrolastic suspension lives!
     
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    Hmmm, front rear interconnected suspension..
    That sounds familiar to me:
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    Unfortunately, mine's definitely active suspension and would fall afoul of the rules..
     
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    Classis Mini's had interconnected front and rear suspension - it was called hydrolastic.....MG 1100's and Austin america's also used it.
     
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    Yes, but the classic mini's hyrdrolastic system only offered the car-levelling when going over bumps, as in the main picture of the Citroen article. Citroen linked theirs with the braking system as well, allowing the rear of the car to drop further the harder you braked, cancelling out the forward pitch of the car when braking and keeping it perfectly level.
    It sounds like the f1 gurus are carrying this idea out a bit further, with the hydraulics fighting body roll instead of allowing it as the mini hydrolastic did.
    The Moulton hydrolastic/hydragas systems were modified for competition use by over pressurizing at first, to make a more rigid ride, then by lowering the pressure and fitting hydro-specific competition bump stops that were longer and hollow so they spent much of their cornering, braking, and acceleration time functioning just like a regular dry suspension car, on little rubber cones....
    I'll be fascinated to see how the f1 engineers manage to keep their passive systems level against pitch and roll and yet light enough to not cause a performance disadvantage.
     
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    Interesting indeed......
     
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    I am very familiar with the Citroen suspension system, since I worked at a Citroen dealership as a mechanic and have owned several of them myself.

    I was not trying to say that they were the same, only that they were similar in concept - hydraulically interconnected front and rear suspension , since no one uses anything like that today (I know there are some air suspensions still around, my Audi Allroad has one such).

    I also am interested to know how they are doing it exactly, and if the extra weight and complexity of the system is worth the effort. Time will answer that of course.
     
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    I've always thought the Citroen's were wonderfully advanced cars.

    I remember in the days of active suspension they should a split screen of two cars, one with and one without, down the same section of track. The difference was amazing. The active car was smooth and stable while the non-active car was bouncing around.

    I love technology but I can see how this would take away from the racing as it makes it easier to drive. I hate all the nanny aid their sticking on cars now. It just make people worse drivers.
     
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    I thought the show-stopper was a Lotus film (I'm sure this was before video...) of a car cornering and running its outside wheels over a brick - pretty much the limit of suspension travel, but it kept cornering.

    But the FRIC they are talking about is a lot less than active suspension, which was really mind-bending in its effect.
     
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    Very nice!
     
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    SPOILER ALERT KIND OF!!!




















    Interesting quali.. Kind off!!!


















    I must say that the induced tire degradation just feels too artificial now. They just might as well install Bernie's TSS (track sprinkler system). Three time champion and championship leader not even trying to get the pole? Are you effing kidding me? Sorry I want to see racing at its utmost and not handcuffed by some convoluted "well intentioned" competition enhancements.
     

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