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    Maybe they need to cancel Korea instead! Or is it on the chopping block?
     
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    Korea's gone too.....and I seriously don't think we'll see New Jersey next year either.
     
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmZ9oKXXHHQ]Hungaroring - Massa - Grosjean - YouTube[/ame]

    I'm having trouble working out which language the commentary is in....

    So Grosjean's left wheels (and hence all four) are clearly outside the white line which defines the 'track limits' so that's an illegal pass - he gained a place while going outside the track limits (by not crashing) so he would have got no penalty if he then pulled over and let Massa repass him.

    It's a lot to expect the driver to notice in the heat of the moment that he was two feet too far over to be OK, but that's what is expected.

    It is of course the rule break for which Vettel was penalised last year (to take the lead from Hamilton in Germany, was it?), so the race stewards would not want to look lightly on it.
     
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    True but had he not moved over he would have collided with Massa, who Grojean was along side of. Massa clearly pushed him out in a blocking maneuver. It was a no call or a penalty on Massa.
     
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    Kimi to Ferrari? They made him a bigger offer than Red Bull. He may like that better because there will be less media things required. But will Alonzo like having him there or is going to Red Bull or back to Lotus????
     
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    Massa has no prerogative to give Grosjean room on the outside. And the video does indeed show that the Lotus was well outside of the racing lane. Was the penalty a bit heavy, I think so but he did violate the rules.
     
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    #950 minimark, Jul 31, 2013
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    Grosjean was along side Massa, Grosjean had a right to his line as much as Massa did his If Grosjean had driven down into Massa. They were side by side, Massa forced Grosjean off, had Grosjean held his line there would have been a collision. There was no advantage gained, nor lost when Groajean went outside the line, only a collision avoided, he owed Massa no position as he was already fully along side (actually ahead of) Massa before being forced out.

    Look at the replay, at :04-05, Massa's front wheel was BEHIND Grosjean's front wheel before Grosjean avoided Massa and drove outside the line. He was leading Massa.

    It was good racing and should have been a no call.

    Note: I am a Ferrari fan first and foremost.;)
     
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    I think you have to bear in mind that the last thing Grosjean wanted, apart from not getting past Massa, was to hit him or be hit by him. With his record over the last year, that wouldn't have been good.

    And then he goes and hits Button later (without harm to either, I think) due to carelessness!
     
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    Gotta loved silly season.

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    Sadly this may be sound advice, as it appears that Alonso has been carrying Ferrari the last couple years....

    This Ferrari fan fears that the Italians are in a slow slide back to where the were in the pre Schumacher years.....a solid third or fourth place team. Hopefully they will excel next year with the new formula, but they seem to lack that edge that a Newey has given RB in recent years...

    The Ferrari allure for a driver is only trumped by the allure of a Championship....or a third in Alonso's case..;)
     
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    Sad but maybe true. I remember those years the Ferrari was could be fast but it was unreliable. Then the dream team came in and picked them up.
     
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    Mercedes has simulated what the 2014 engine will sound like around Monza.

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    Monisha Kaltenborn was cagey in Hungary when questioned on Sauber's new backers | Sauber F1 News | Formula 1 Teams | Sky Sports

    Now, I fully admit that my perceptions may be totally wrong, but typically Russian Technology has been "copy something we stole very faithfully" and "nail two things that work together." I'm betting the former in the case of F1. ;)

    Umm....... yeah...... about that......

     
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    Daddy wrote a real big check and I get to go drive an F1 car...woohoo!
     

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