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Does no one proofread their work anymore?

They expect 0-60 times to increase with the bump in hp and significant bump in torque?

We all know what they meant, but this kind of sloppy writing is epidemic in media these days, and I for one am tired of it. I can't read an Autoblog article anymore without finding a rash of errors, incorrect word usage, incorrect spelling, punctuation errors, etc.

Are we just supposed to overlook this? Are the rules of good writing no longer in force? How about just writing for accuracy?

It's one thing to find this sort of laziness in a casual post by a forum member, but not from people who are PAID to write.

 

Ummmm those race tires and coil-overs can easily make that car that much faster around the ring. Put those on the original GP and I bet the poser GP gets its lunch handed to it at the ring. Suspension and tires make a huge difference.

Just because it faster does not make it better because the GP 2 is flugly. The original GP is already a classic.

Oh and my R53 is better looking and faster than any 2 Gen or the new GP 2.

^^^ 100% true

 

No disrespect, but you contradict yourself here. It WASN'T an even playing field. An even playing field would be the same tires on BOTH cars, you are totally kidding yourself if you think it's a valid comparison between the capability of two cars, especially when BMW is insinuating that the car is that much better. It's not. The only conclusion I can make is you have no idea how important tires are on a track like the 'ring.

Everyone who's ever been on a track knows the biggest way to speed up your track times is to put on a stickier tire--it improves EVERYTHING--acceleration, cornering, and especially braking. The coilovers help too, but it's the tires that's making the biggest difference in lap times between two otherwise similar cars, with the same driver. If BMW REALLY wanted to show the difference between the two cars, they would have put the same shoes on, even with the coilovers, I'd go for that--but the difference wouldn't have been that great.
Buy a used GP, put R-comps on it, be just as fast as a brand new R56 GP on the ring, for half the price. How about that for a comparison?

BMW cheated, and they know it. Put the same tires on the R56 as the R53, and those lap times are embarrassingly close, it would have been much better for BMW to throw the same shoes on the R56 GP and show how much faster it was than the R53, than by putting something with substantially more grip on. The R56 loses too much breath up high, this car needs to be substantially faster around the ring than the R53, they made up the difference with tires. End of story.

 

^^^^^ Consider yourself "told", MM. Now go stand in the corner, old buddy. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Jim

 

YOW....
cct1.... I musta found your tender spot.... Sheesh...

 

And when the GP3 comes out, it will be most likely be the fastest MINI GP.....
I hope they continue to tweek the engines, introduce lighter bodies, better suspension and chances are better tires will be had....

Cheating.... I don't think so.... It's called improving the marque...

Now if they add engine noises played through the speakers.... I'm outta here...

Course, no manufacturer in their right mind would would stoop so low... Would they?

 

Ok ok ok let's all calm down and take a big step back. We don't need an all out war, while we all have our own views (including me) and we need agree to disagree.

Lets move along.

 

I saw the new Mini drive underneath me yesterday while on the Overpass over the 405fwy. It was in full camo mode along with the new M4

 

I'm quite excited for the future of cars, especially with companies focusing on drawing as much power and efficiency from small engines, like the 1.6L that Formula 1 will be using in 2014... Always a fine moment when you floor someone in a mustang or the like with our "little" super/turbo engines :biggrin5:

 

I like how the goal is to make the MINI more like the R53.

 

Read it, but I don't see that. Maybe my glasses are wearing out.

 

"Ummmm those race tires and coil-overs can easily make that car that much faster around the ring. Put those on the original GP and I bet the poser GP gets its lunch handed to it at the ring. Suspension and tires make a huge difference."

Nope....
The comparison needs to be made "as issued" from the factory...

Add-on's, aftermarket heads, ECU tweeks all change the game... Gotta have an even playing field... Needs to be compared stock to stock as issued without any cheats.... Just the basic stock GP1 and GP2 the way it rolled off the assembly line.....

 

everytime it ends up being the "whiners" crying

 

I'm surprised the the bigger 2L motor is only providing a small increase in power over the 1.6L. I thought they give it 200hp at least.

 

I would agree with you if the tires and suspension were done only to set the time and then came off and were sold without these goodies from the factory....

But they didn't... It wasn't a one shot deal.... That's the way you can get them from the factory....

I wouldn't consider that MINI cheated....

You want cheating.... Ask Chris Harris what he thinks about how Ferrari sets their times..... I would call that cheating...

Sooo.... Let me guess.... You have a R53.... Am I right?

 

Yes, I have an R53, it's not why I'm disappointed in the R56 GP; it's no "threat" to me, it's not nearly as fast as my R53. And it shouldn't be, my car is heavily modded.

Going from ultra performance summer tires to R-comps at Road America, a 4 mile track, shaves more than 4 seconds. How do you think that translates roughly at the 'ring? (Hint, the ring is roughly 14 miles).

MINI claims it's the fastest MINI around the ring--the insinuation is the CAR is better on the track. The reality is the TIRES are better on the track. You don't have a problem with that. I do. If you buy the GP because you want a GP as a daily driver, it doesn't really matter. But then again, if you buy it for a daily driver, those sticky tires are a waste. If you buy a GP because you want a TRACK car, which is how MINI wants the car perceived, it most certainly does matter. It makes a huge difference, and it's disingenuous what MINI did.

If you want to give the props to the GP because it made up time with better tires, which has absolutely nothing to do with BMW/MINI engineering and improved car, that's fine for you. It's not fine for me for BMW to portray the car as much better than it actually is when it has nothing to do with how they built the car and everything to do by putting better rubber on it. I want to know how the car compares to the previous GP with an equal driver on equal tires. That is the only fair comparison, it's the only one that matters to most of us, and if it were done, the R56 suddenly isn't looking all that much of an improvement, which is an embarrassment to BMW considering how much effort was put into the R56 GP, while the R53 was cobbled together at the last minute and STILL is roughly as good on the ring.

If/When MINI comes out with a 2L that is approaching 300HP, with proper brakes and suspension, it will LEGITIMATELY toast the R53 and R53 GP on the ring. And I will be the first one to give it a hearty three cheers, and toast it with a very good glass of beer.

I almost toasted the R56 GP when the numbers first came out, until I caught the little bit about the tires. And yes, at that point, I dismissed it. The way it's sticking around on dealers lots, it looks like I'm not the only one.

 

^^^^ this round goes to MM.

cct1, ya got to do better then that.

Ladies and gentlemen Round #3 is is coming up.......

Jim

 

it just goes on and on. the hate for GP2 just continues, and yes I own one. I don't come in here bashing the other models. never rode in a GP1 so I can't compare the 2. If anyone has an unmolested one I would love to take a spin in it.

 

Improving the car is not cheating. Putting a disposable item, i.e. tires, on the car, which has nothing to do with improving the car itself, then claiming the car is 18 seconds faster, when the reality is the car is 2-3 seconds faster on the ring, is cheating.

The gp3 has the possibility of legitimately blowing the other car's times to shreds, and that I'd applaud and give it the props it deserves, rather than fall for Minis claims of how much faster the gp2 is than the gp, when the reality is it was done with smoke and mirrors to get an eye popping number. It's disappointing that Mini would pull crap like this but not altogether surprising.

 

With more horsepower and torque on the Base Cooper , it should make for an interesting Justa, Wish they would put out some hints on fuel mileage.