Most liked posts in thread: FBI vs. Apple - Privacy vs. Safety?

If they would have just unlock the DEAD person phone and not make a big effing deal about it none of us would know anything about it now.

I am an Apple fan and have many Apple toys but this is about unlocking ONE DEAD TERRORIST iPhone.

Who really cares?

 

Katie Benner and Matt Apuzzo, reporting for the NYT on whether the FBI’s request for Apple to unlock the San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone will open the door to more such requests:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/23/technology/apple-unlock-iphone-san-bernardino.html?_r=0

 

From the Wall Street Journal.

 

If it was only that simple....
Think months after the guy is dead any useful info is there....no..
But the FBI can use the case to make public sentiment get Apple to do it...and set a precedent... That what this is about..
It's a slippery slope....and the FBI is the man at the top trying to push Apple....
Generally I am like ****** the killer.....but any info he used on the phone was transmitted and used...it is available as meta data.....heck they DESTROYED their personal phones...but not the work phone...why...nothing to hide...the AGREED TO MONITORING BY THEOR EMPLOYER...those guys were killers, but not stupid....they had other phones they smashed....
RIGHT NOW you trust our government to do the right thing....many in other places don't.... And depending on the future political situation....maybe you will not trust out government in the future....
Let's face it...it has done bad things in the past when we trusted it more...giving random folks LSD, Taking pictures of demonstraors, secret files, etc....and that was YEARS AGO...ever wonder what they will do with a "golden key"?
As a pilot that flew many senator's and members of the federal reserve around, I can say they were paranoid enough about monitoring that they " borrowed" my personal cell on many occasions, and they told me if anything ever came up,let them know....they know folks can Monitor their activities.... Worried about blackmail from their own government? Perhaps....
Think about how a sitting politicians using the NSA could blackmail others.....RAM anything through....just a thought... And we wonder how such crazy crap is agreeed too and "crazy" laws pass....

 

But what about used phones? People selling phones from their "personal collections" at phone shows with no background checks. POTUS would have to make an executive order banning people from selling phones to each other.

There's a whole can of worms when you want to start regulating who can buy phones and who can't.

 

Apple should just take the phone, Unlock it and provide the data and NEVER give the government the "Golden Key".

I think a lot of peoples opinions would change if their family had someone killed by these DEAD TERRORIST.

 

Wait a minute.... Doesn't the NSA have that big place out west that records every phone call everyone makes? They already have the info they want..

Ah carp... I forgot... The NSA and the FBI don't work together... It's easier for the FBI to go after Apple than the NSA...

This place in Utah...

 

It isn't about only one phone. Read the quotes I posted above. It's not a simple issue, and simplifying it doesn't help anyone, even the victim's families.

But if people are fine with the gonvernement snooping in on everything we do, by all means, simplify it.

I mean if we don't have anything to hide, we don't need privacy, right?

Just like if we don't have anything to say, we don't need free speech.

 

Regarding the Mobile Device Management:

Common software would have unlocked San Bernardino shooter's iPhone - CBS News

Regarding the FBI screwing things up by requesting the Apple ID password be reset before a backup was made.

FBI Admits It Urged Change Of Apple ID Password For Terrorist's iPhone - BuzzFeed News

 

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STOP that!

 

Me thinks Tim Cook's big concern is PR and making money for his company.

What he should fear is family members of people killed by terrorists on the

news 24/7 screaming that because of his actions their loved ones are now

dead. And I agree with Dave.

 

Tim cooks interest is making money....for the owners of the company...the stock holders....have a retirement account? Apple is Americas largest company....(remember GM saying what's good for GM is good for America in the 60's?) ...destroy Apple....and 75% of their customers move on to non US company's... Remember WASHONGTON HATES AMERICA.... Remember the "sorry" tour and snti America exceptionalism statements....Apple is an exceptional American company... It MUST BE TAKEN DOWN.... according to certain folks anyway...they are evil... Me, I don't use Apple products, but am happy to see them succede.

 

Lots of good valid points have been made but when or where do you draw the line at what freedoms we will give up or should give up to maintain our basic rights ?? Do we give up rights every time something bad happens and if so how long will it be before we are not the nation of freedoms we think we are ??

 

The Muslims hate the West because of our freedoms....
By making us give up our freedoms to be "more safe" they have won

 

How does a DEAD person have any rights is the first question.