1st Gen R53 Cooper S Most liked posts in thread: Finally, Gen1 Power Steering Delete Kit Available Soon!!!!!

  1. WheelNut

    WheelNut New Member

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    Update: After running manual steering for 8 months I've finally gone back in and installed a new power steering pump. The driving experience is oh so different now. Its almost like a different car. Going back to power steering now its obvious that there is nearly no steering feel and that there is a huge amount of information lost through the PS pump. With the manual steering you feel the weight of the steering increase as you transfer weight to the front wheels, you feel every mid corner undulation, and every bit of slip mid corner is so very obvious. This comes at quite a high price though. Parallel parking and low speed driving is really tough. Any sort of rapid direction change becomes extremely difficult as the steering effort required to chuck the car into a corner is so high that its just not possible. Approaching the limit on dry, warm tarmac at high speed is difficult as the steering effort required it so high its not possible to sustain such efforts.

    On the highway the manual steering setup is absolute heaven. The car centers itself strongly from the caster effect of the suspension geometry and high speed corners in driving up to 8/10ths require only moderate steering effort (still higher than anything with the PS pump though). In the city the manual steering is a bit of disaster and tighter things get the worse it is.

    Things that make the steering effort lower: Rain, snow, ice, narrower tires, higher speed, and rearward weight transfer.

    In the end I'm a bit torn on manual steering it has some amazing benefits, and some huge drawbacks. For any sort of high performance driving under the clock PS is definitely the way to go as you can reach the limits of the car and move it around so much more easily. On the other hand the car feels so isolated and dead with the PS pump in place that it totally changes the character of the car. One day I'd really like to fabricate some adaptors to install a steering rack from a Civic or something similar with a 16:1~ish ratio and give that a go. A slower rack along with a larger diameter steering wheel could really be great. I still don't think I would want it for AutoX, but for street driving it could potentially really make the car a joy.
     
  2. Dave.0

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    You dork :lol: I was talking about the part not the world in general. You don't even want me to start my list of things I don't like. :mad2::ihih::lol:
     
  3. Apex

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    I am certainly interested in this as well! I have always enjoyed the manual steering in other cars I have driven, and if this prevents a known failure point that is a sweet bonus.
     
  4. minsanity

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    1 thing for sure, the U/J will be better off w/ a proper delete kit than w/ a dead pump.
     
  5. TheModFather

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    U Joint... Like on a drive shaft or solid axle...
     
  6. Dave.0

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    Thanks, that what I was thinking bit just wanted to be sure. :Thumbsup:

    Carry on and let me know when I can buy one.
     
  7. minsanity

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    A bit of an update from Condor: They're on 2nd round of testing.
     
  8. RallyMini370

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    #41 RallyMini370, Jun 20, 2014
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    LOL Dave, I never thought of Union Jack. hahaha
     
  9. minsanity

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    How it works: the block has pass-thru holes for fluid & air to smoothly flow from 1 side to the other upon steering. It's to lessen the resistance.
    Just got an email from Condor.
    They're doing an initial batch of 30pcs. Expected launch in a coupla weeks. They'll put up a link once this is out. The wait is almost over. :)
     
  10. Dave.0

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    Thanks for the update, now I just need to know when to send my $50 bucks.:Thumbsup:

    I already know who it's going to. :Thumbsup:
     
  11. Dave.0

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  12. minsanity

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    Mine is on the way, Dave.
     
  13. Dave.0

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    Because my MINI is a play toy and I would rather have firm feel the road turning vs willy nilly going to fail someday power steering.

    It all just a personal preference. Stick Vs Autotragic, Brake sensor nannies Vs checking your own brakes, Nanny oil service lights Vs Checking your own oil.
     
  14. MCS02

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    ^^^^:lol::lol::lol:^^^^^

    From what I saw on the Dragon I believe you!
     
  15. Steve

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    Call me paranoid but this sort of vague instruction always bugs me, and I've seen it a number of times. How much is too much and how can you be sure you've avoided it without leaving it too loose? Do you tighten until you see deflection and back off or have you done permanent damage at that point?

    You need neither warnings nor torque settings for a lot of things but it seems to me a torque setting is in order for anything that requires a precautionary warning about damage potential.
     
  16. CHKMINI

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    With steering and brakes detail is mandatory.
     
  17. Dave.0

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    Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction....you just could not make up this stuff and have anybody believe you!! Gotta love them stealing a safe and the Calvin Cline suit ....lol...stylish guys!!
    What next...a president not enforcing the law? Or maybe man ng up his own like a dictator?! Lol...I'm waiting for the movie!
     
  19. minsanity

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    On those tires, steering knob will be your friend, Dick.:)
     
  20. Nathan

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    #127 Nathan, Oct 6, 2014
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    Welcome, thanks for joining Motoring Alliance, the FUN and Friendly MINI Community.

    There is a thread from a few years back that has a list of mods and the subsequent weight of the car.

    Please see http://www.motoringalliance.com/forums/track-days-hpde-s/1524-car-weights.html#axzz3FP9KTCb0

    On another note, how many of you are impressed that I can remember and pull back a thread from 09-08-2009. I know I was pumped when I remembered and then found it.

    Try that on Facebook...HAH!