Brakes Wheels 1st Gen Tires Flat tire 215/45/17

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  1. Mr. Jim

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    Just got a flat this morning on way to work, onside of tire rubbing on shock housing. Hadn't noticed any previous rubbing. Anyone have trouble with the 215 rubbing? I guess I need spacer if everything else is tight. Got two years so far on tires. Any advice?

    Thanks in advance
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    Thats the OEM size, running 225's myself. One MfG's 225's didn't rub (Continental) and another Mfg's 225's do (Yokohama) go Figure

    Had to go to a set of spacers for the KW Coilovers I just installed. Used a set of Eibach's and they seem to be doing the job. I needed to get a set of studs too.

    If you go that route you'll also need a set of bolts (duh) but my recent MINI oddity find was that our OEM bolts have a 125 pitch on the threads while the rest of the world uses 150. I got a set of studs from Way that worked great
     
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    205/45 is the stock size, these are just a bit taller.

    What wheel offset are you running? I am currently running this size with no rubbing.
     
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    My bad, Scott's spot on, just recalled the wife's tires on her stock MCS
     
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    Running stock wheels so the offset should be correct. Have camber plates set at -2. Going to pull the tire tonight and see what's up with the tire.
     
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    I'm guessing it's the -2° that is causing the problem
     
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    Running stock wheels so the offset should be correct. Have camber plates set at -2. Going to pull the tire tonight and see what's up with the tire.
     
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    The strut never changes relation to the wheel when you adjust camber. So its not the camber causing issue.

    Height isnt the only thing effected when going to a 215-45, the advantage there is a wider tire too. And thats where the problem is.

    Even the factory tire is close to the strut body, so adding a little extra meat is going to make it that much closer. Like it was said also, one manufactures "215" is very different from anothers. Even w/in the same manufacture, different tire designs will vary in width. If you running the Star Specs, then they are wider then more conventional tires b/c of the stiffer sidewalls (extra material).

    I imagine a set of 5mm Spacers will get you going again. And pleaaaase buy a quality hubcentric spacer. Most every vendor has them; outmotoring.com, promini.com, etc.
     
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    I know the camber wouldn't cause it and the star spec is the tire I'm running. Like I said tonight I'll plug the tire and see if the tire went flat and then the sidewall rubbed or it ribbed first. I did have to slowly driven about an 1/8 mile on the flat. I will also look into the spacers.

    Should I put spacers in rear also?

    Thanks for all the comments.
     
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    Nope, not unless you need them. FWD cars see performance benefits from a wider front track, but wider rear track doesn't help much. Looks and wheel fitment would be the only reasons to think about it.

    What's the offset on your wheels?

    EDIT: R90 is ET 48.
     
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    That's what I have with the 215's
     
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    #12 KC Jr 54, Jul 26, 2011
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    Yeah, you likely are not going to run into rubbing issues on the inside in the rear. IF you do put spacers on the rear, you will likely run into issue w/ rubbing on the outside arch trim and plastic inner liner. To be clear though, you could run 5mm~8mm spacer in the rear with no issue, but depends on the rear camber.

    I wasnt trying to insult you by the bit about the camber in the front. Just trying to nip what was mentioned by another member in the butt before it grew to anything misleading or confusing.

    P.S. Careful re-using a tire you drove on while it was flat/under-inflated. Possible Results:

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    That's right. I didn't realize it was the shock his tire was rubbing on - should have read more carefully.:eek:

    that is one nasty looking tire
     
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    I totally understand, no insult taken. I don't think the tire is save-able, I'll know more once I get it off the car later. Either way, I'm looking at two new tires up front cause I don't want to run one new and one old up front.
    Just when you think your out..... They pull you back in! Lol

    Also ordered a set of 5mm h&r spacers today.
     
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    Another possibility up front is getting one new tire shaved down to the depth of the older tire - useful if there's plenty of life left on the good tire.
     
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    Who would do that kind of work?

    Adding the spacers, would it require to check alignment again? I'm thinking no.
     
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    No. Just affects track width, not camber/caster/toe.
     
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    So I can have them do that when I order, just tell them the depth of my good tire?

    Looks like no signs of rubbing and I see no puncture in the tire, very strange :confused5:
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    I have the tire warranty from when I bought RDNZL, but it says something about sidewall damage.
     
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    Yeaaaah, that has zero to do with rubbing. IMO that looks more like a major tire defect (sidewall separation) then anything else.

    Should be covered under a manufacture warranty rather then who you bought them from.
     
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    Agree, that's a manufacturing defect.

    Hmm... when did you buy those tires? My brother had issues with a batch of Star Specs delaminating last summer. I have pictures on my flickr site but the work firewall blocks my access.
     

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