Engine Drivetrain 1st Gen Cooper S Most liked posts in thread: Forge R53 intercooler (Brief Review)

It is. But physics, is.... well..... physics. You got the correct explanation regarding the errors in your reasoning and dismissed it. There are a lot of people who have been at it longer than you or I.

 

^^This, again.

There is only one other top mount IC I know of proven better than the GP, and it's not the Forge. And if you think the GP IC is expensive, this one will twist your twin berries many times over.

its not like people haven't been trying to find the perfect top mount IC since, like, 2002....

 

TVS

TVS Supercharger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

The GRS Intercooler proved to be effective. A bit spendy at £399.99 + options and shipping across the pond.

 

Navarr......in all honesty the IC tech has reached it's limit with the R53 as the OEM location severely restricts what can be done. No one has been able to develop an IC that works better than the OEM or GP one.......period.

 

^never tested them. My hunch is that they're gimmicky. You want that space under the cooler to flow as much air as possible.

 

Indeed! DOS did it right on the first try, and had actual thermal/mechanical engineers design the thing, they were just too far ahead, and too far out of peoples price range, in a small market to make the sales aspect work.

 

Machinist turned engineer... yes.

Until you crack something from the drastic heat cycles.

 

At high altitude, I'd go turbo. Thankfully I'm at sea level.

Two more pieces for the intake and we'll see how the TVS 900 does with the FMIC. I'm hoping for 300WHP (may be too optimistic) with reasonable temps (shouldn't be a problem).

 

Like Sprintex syndrome... It is expensive, sounds cool, and the boost gauge says you are getting more boost, so that is interpreted by your wallet-minded brain as you are getting your moneys worth of power. In actuality with a Sprintex, all of that money is giving you a cool sound, and more boost, but more heat than can be dealt with by even the casing of the blower, the seals, and everything on the outlet side of the blower... In all actuality, there is no power gain due to the shortfalls and buildup of heat but your mind hears that new whine, and sees the needle of the boost gauge going further up so you think it is faster. Sure you might rip one good pull when you first strap it to a dyno, and yes it might show it is better than stock for that run before the truth comes out as it heats up.

Moving away from Sprintex Syndrome, you are bringing up a part that has been around a LONG time. Its been tried and tested by hundreds of MINI owners, and been shown time and time again to not even offer any performance gain over the stock I/C by the honest modders. Sure, in your mind you are seeing that boost needle, and the temp gauge do their thing, and your mind is trying to justify your purchase, but until you strap the car to a dyno and run it against the stock I/C back to back as fast as you can pull the 12 bolts and swap them out you will never know for sure. Or you can take the advise and experience of others for what they are worth. Hundreds of people with the same conclusion against one with the opposite doesn't mean that the hundreds are wrong, or that you are right.

 

You know mine is not the cheapie system, you old one on the other hand...well:lol:

 

The DOS guys never claimed they made more power. They did claim, and rightly so, they had the data to back it up, that they maintained power to a much better degree than stock.

Only way to solve it is to dyno it for an extended period. Virtually every other IC has failed this test. You give theoreticals why it MIGHT be better, but those same theoreticals MIGHT just make it worse. Forge, to my knowledge, has never shown any data, unlike DOS. Until it's out there, all we have is to take your word for it. I'm not trying to be nasty, but we've been down this road before too many times with IC's and other products, and it will take hard data before anyone is going to bite.

My guess is it's no better than stock, might be worse. None of us have the definitive proof one way or the other. And when that's the case, most of us will take a pass.